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decide that the centre window is “ the window Comparing this statement with the old plan of of the balcony,” and the one for which we are Whitehall, it appears to me that the Long Galsearching ?
lery could only be on the south side of the BanAnother question I beg to submit, and that is, queting House, and that the back stairs was also Was the king taken on the north side of the near the south side. If this line of the route taken building at all?. The following are the principal be tenable, and I have seen no authorised statestatements in respect of the assertion that he was ment to the contrary, added to which there do there :
not appear to be any buildings at all likely to Herbert (p. 135) says, “ There was a passage have contained “ galleries,” or the Long Gallery broken through the wall, by which the king passed on the north side, and no back stairs in that posiunto the scaffold.” Warwick (p. 344) says, “ He tion, I came to the conclusion that the “ passage came out of the Banqueting-house on the scaf- broken through the wall” was made on the south fold.”. A pamphlet of the day, entitled King side, and not on the north, and was done to give Charles his Speech, states the king came “ through access from the Palace to the first floor of the the Banqueting-house, adjoining to which the Banqueting House without passing into the open scaffold was erected between Whitehall Gate and court. the gate leading into the gallery from St. James's.” I trust the subject will excuse this long “note" Pennant says, he came “ through the wall in in your short and valuable pages; and will only which a passage was broken. This passage still add, as a reply to the question of A. A., that no remains at the north end of the room, and is at engravings that I have seen show any steps up to present the door to a small additional building of the scaffold, which is stated to have been hung later date.” Ludlow relates that the king was with black, though that is not represented in any “ conducted to the scaffold out of the window of plate.
Wyatt PAPWORTH. the Banqueting-house." Smith, as I before noticed, has marked the centre of the front as the place of execution. Vertue, “ according to the LEARNED DANE ON UNICORNS (3rd S. i. 50.) — truest reports," has marked a window belonging Among the ancients who, as F. R.'s quotation to the small building on the north side for the says, represented female deer with horns, may
be one through which Charles passed. If we could mentioned Callimachus, in his hymn to Artemis :identify Charles's bedchamber (called council
« Εύρες επί πρoμoλής όρεος του Παρρασίoιο room by some writers)—that room in which he
Σκαιρούσας ελάφους, μέγα το χρέος, αι μεν επ' οχθης rested for a while previous to the execution - it
Αλέν έβουκολέοντο μελαμψηφίδος 'Αναύρου, might assist in determining the route he took; as
Μάσσονες και ταυροι" κεράων δ' απελάμπετο χρυσός.” to whether he passed through the Banqueting
Ernesti's Callimachus, 1761, tom. i.
110. house northwards into the projection, and so out, or whether he came into the Banqueting-house
Aristotle says, referring to the passage:southwards. Pennant declares that the bedchamber Έτι ποτέρων εστι το αμάρτημα, των κατά την is marked A on the old plan. This old plan, I τέχνην, ή κατ' άλλο συμβεβηκός; έλαττον γαρ, ει μη presume, is that of Fisher's, taken about 1670 or ήδει ότι έλαφος θήλεια κέρατα ουκ έχει, και ει κακομιμήτως 1680, and engraved by Vertue. The chambers šypaye."— Poetics, Oxon., 1794, chap. xlvi. p. 87. having that letter are called thereon, “ Her Ma
Tyrwhitt says, in a note : jesty's apartments; so what authority Pennant
“ Pindarus, ut et Anacreon, cervas cornutas fecerunt. had for deeming them the King's bedchamber is not clear; and when it is remembered that these capitibus cervarum poetas de industriân affigere verisimile
In Olymp., Ode 3: Xpvo oképwv érapov elav. Cornua chambers so marked overlooked the river, we may est : quâ ratione nescio quæ incredibilia Phænici aftinxeprobably doubt whether they took the king right runt. Vide quæ annotavit Anna, Fabri filia, in locum across the palace from the Park to the river. Callimachi.-(Upton.)” Herbert, whose account we must greatly respect, The poet could not mean that these deer were says, after crossing the Park from St. James's, females, which had assumed some of the outward “coming to the stair . . passed along the gal- characteristics of the male sex, as is sometimes leries unto his bedchamber;" afterwards * a guard the case with animals of the bovine and ovine was made all along the galleries and the Banquet- genera. The celebrated Hunter, in his treatise ing House, but behind the soldiers abundance of on the freemartin, has adduced several instances men and women crowded in. There was a passage of the kind; but says nothing about deer. broken through the wall, by which the king passed I am acquainted with a district in which those unto the scaffold." After the execution, the beautiful animals (both red and fallow) abounded, Bishop and Herbert “ went with the body to the till, by an act of Vandalism and cruelty, they back stairs to be embalmed, meantime they went were all destroyed, and I never heard of a female into the Long Gallery, where they met the Gene- with horns. Still, I would not pronounce such a ral," and met Cromwell therein further on. thing impossible.
It is my opinion that the poets gave horns to never have had any doubt of their identification their female deer for the sake of ornament, with- of “ E. K.” with Edward Kerke; or of his having out regard to correctness in natural history. In been, as I believe they have stated, a son of the some cases, perhaps, through ignorance or inad- Mrs. Kerke through whom Spenser used to send vertence.
W.D. and get parcels and letters to and from CamJACOB'S STAFF (3rd S. iv. 113, &c.) – Fletcher, bridge. As he speaks of coming to Mrs. Kerke's
“ to have his letter delivered to the carrier," may in his play of The Elder Brother, makes mention
not Mrs. Kerke have been the proprietor of the of this instrument. In the conversation between
Bull Inn in Bishopsgate Street; at which the Miramont and Brisac, the latter, speaking con
Cambridge carrier, the well-known Hobson, used temptuously of the practical results of learning,
to stop ? says as follows:
As to C.'s elaborate unveiling of the Faerie “Can history cut my hay, or get my corn in?
Queene, I must say that I differ from it toto cælo ; And can geometry vent it in the market?
and if the readers of “N. & Q.” have no objecShall I have my sheep kept with a Jacob's staff, now ? "
tion, I shall, when I have more leisure than at It is also alluded to in Hudibras, part II. canto
present, give my conception of the allegory of the 3, line 706 :
first book, and make some remarks on the other “ Tell me but what's the nat'ral cause
books. In 1859, I wrote an article in Fraser's Why on a sign no painter draws The full moon ever, but the half?
Magazine on the Life of Spenser, which was Resolve that with your Jacob's staff.”
highly praised in * N. & Q." and which MR. Dr. Zachary Grey, in his note on this passage,
COLLIER might have read. In it I proved that quotes from Cleveland’s Hecatomb to his Mistress, in 1553, as is usually supposed. I accounted
Spenser must have been born in 1551, and not
for his' residence in Kent, and acquaintance “Reach then a soaring quill, that may write, As with a Jacob's staff to take her height.”
with Sir Philip Sidney. I made it, I believe, And he mentions an astrologer at the court of pretty clear that Rosalind was a donna di mente
à purely imaginary personage. I gave strong the King of Spain, who “could nearly take heights with the naked eye without the help of this in
reasons in proof of his never having left Ireland strument.” (Lady's Travels, &c. 5th ed. part III.
from 1580 to 1589 – 2 proof, by the way, of his p. 251.) W. BOWEN ROWLANDS.
not having seen the Arcadia in MS., which was
not printed till after the First Part of the Faerie PRINCE CHRISTIERN OF DENMARK (3rd S. iv. Queene. I bave further shown that his Sonnets 173.) – The following is the genealogy of Prince give a regular and faithful history of his courtChristiern of Denmark, father of the Princess of ship of the lady who became his wife. There is
one omission: I was not aware that the probaChristian III. King of Denmark and Norway, died bility is, that when he fled to England in 1598,
left his wife and children either with her family John, the younger, Duke of Holstein-Sonderburg, died (at Kinsale ?), or with his sister Mrs. Travers (at 1622.
A change in the management of the Magazine
pose giving some of my observations an disa Charles-Anthony-Augustus, Prince of Holstein-Beck, died 1759.
coveries in the pages of “N. & Q."
sacred circle, or periphery, are to be found on wig-Holstein, Sonderburg-Glucksburg.
the earlier coins of Britain. This emblem appears (Koch, cxvi. cxviii. ; Almanac de Gotha,
on thirteen out of twenty-one examples before 1836-37.)
me; and, except on one coin, is accompanied by
T. J. BUCKTON. the horse, a type, evidently a rude imitation copied GREEK PHRASE (3rd S. iv. 167.) - The word
from Greek coins. The forms under which this drogpevdováw in Jones's Lexicon is referred to Plu: periphery appears, are: 1. A large dot. 2. A tarch (Works by Reiske, x. 383). My copy does
dot surrounded by seven others. 3. A wheel with not show Reiske's pages, and I have here no access
six spokes; or a dot within a circle, from which to his edition.
T. J. BUCKTON.
issue six bars. 4. A wheel with four spokes. 5. Lichfield.
A circle, or annulus. 6. A lozenge with dotted
points. 7. A cross, composed of five dots. In "FAERIE QUEENE” UNVEILED (3rd S. iv. 140.)- all these cases the circle, &c., occurs in the base of I beg to assure Messrs. COOPER that I, for one, the coin, below the horse. On several there are,
in addition to these base circles, other similar ago. Two specimens were also shot at Brighton circles before and above the horse. And in some about the same time. cases we find, not only the wheel with spokes, or I owe the above information to Mr. William cross within a circle, but also a mark very similar Stafford of Godalming, an ardent naturalist; well to the numismatic Greek ©; namely, a dot within known to ornithologists who have laboured in a circle, the emblem of divinity.
their vocation in this part of the county of On the reverse of one coin, instead of the type Surrey.
D. M. Stevens. of a horse, there is a rude representation of a
Guildford. bird, which appears to me to have been imitated
THOMAS, EARL OF NORFOLK : uis Wives (3ra from some of the Ptolemaic coins. In front of S. iv. 70, 134, 157.)— the bird is a cross saltirewise, between four dots
“ Thomas desponsavit quandam Aliciam, de qua prothe wheel emblem in another form. And behind
creavit duas filias et heredes Margaretam et Aliciam."the bird is a geometrical or mystic figure: the Esc., 36 Edw. III. Pt. 2, No. 9. interlaced triangle, or star of five points.
Vincent (against Brooke, 344,) quotes this However appropriate the cross may be as an emblem on the coins of Christian sovereigns, we
escheat, and then says: find the same emblem occurring, on money of a
“ Lastly, he hath omitted his second wife Mary, who date prior to a.d. 1, either in a circle or by itself, Lord Roos."
died anno 36 Edw. III., being daughter of William and undoubtedly used as a sacred symbol. The e of your correspondent's Query, is most probably doubtful; that she was not the wife of William
That she was the daughter of a Lord de Ros is one of these emblems. It is easy to account for the “ dot in a circle," the sacred centre of all de Braose, Lord of Brembre, is clear; but she things” type; and when the same idea is shown may bave been the second wife (a Ravent was by a wheel and horse, it is but the representative third wife Maria, who died in 19 Edw. II. (Esc.
the first) of William, the son of Braose by his of the sun, symbolising the centre of the universe. No. 90). Thomas Brotherton, Earl of Norfolk,
died in 12 Edw. III.; his widow, the Countess The EARL OF SEFTON (3rd S. iv. 148.)—May I Marshal, in 36 Edw. III. The escheat of that ask your correspondent MR. REDMOND for his au
year (Pt. 11. 1st Nos. 9,) says she had no issue by thority for stating, as he has done, that “the Earl | the Earl (“ Inquisition for Gloucester"); that of Sefton was, about eighty or ninety years ago, John de Cobham was her son and heir (“Inquisia Roman Catholic priest”?' He labours, I think, tion for Norfolk"); that she had the manor of under a mistake, if the Peerage which I have con- Erdyngton of the inheritance of her son John, sulted is correct.
ABUBA. then living, and of Ralph Cobham her first bus
band (“Inquisition for Berks "). Ralph died in WHITEHALL PLACE, ETC. (3rd S. iv. 29, 94.)- 19 Edw. II.; his son and heir, John, being a year The engraving referred to is to be found in old. (Esc., No. 93.)
B. Stukeley's Itin. Curiosum ; wherein it is placed incidentally, with the note that the walls were
Ben JONSON AND MRS. BULSTRODE (3rd S. iv. pulled down within a week afterwards. If the coat | 150.) – An epitaph on the “ Court Pucelle" will of arms belongs to Wolsey, the engraving re
be found in Chetham MS., 8012, p. 162 (Chetbam presents the arms badly.
Library, Manchester), which I venture to tran
scribe from a copy I made some years ago. I THE AMERICAN PARTRIDGE (3rd S. ii. 65.) - adhere, verbatim et literatim to the MS.; which MR. MEWBURN must bave misquoted Cobbett. is simply headed The birds in question were not introduced into
“ EPITAPH. Wiltshire, but were brought from America by “ Stay! view this stone, and if thou beest not such, Streeter Gill, Esq., and liberated in the grounds Reade here a little yt thou maiest know much. of the late John Leech, Esq., Member of Parlia- It covers first a virgin, and then one ment for West Surrey, at Lea, about four miles Who durst be so in Court. A vertue alone from Godalming, in Surrey.
To fill an Epitaphe. But she had more, The birds thrived well, and, unlike the English She might have claim'd to have yo graces foure. partridge, were of a migratory disposition ; and Taught Pallas language, Cinthya modesty; had also this peculiarity, that, when roused by the As fitt to have increas'd the harmony dog, they would alight on the hedgerows,-much
Of Spheares as light of Starres. She was earth's eye, to the mortification of the sportsman.
The sole religious house and votary – Their rarity, and the beauty of their plumage, Not bounde by rytes, but conscience, would'st thou all ? caused them, however, to be much sought after ; She was Sill Boulstred. In weh name I call so that they gradually disappeared from the scene Up so much Truth, as could I here pursue, of their introduction; the last seen in the neigh
Might make ye fable of good women true. bourhood having been shot about twenty years
“ B. J.”
These initials apparently indicate the writer to The Editor has goodnaturedly permitted a query have been Jonson himself, although much reliance to pass appended to a reply in more instances cannot be placed upon the signatures in this MS. than one; may I therefore add a description of volume. (See Hannah's Poems by Wotton, Raleigh, my medal here, in hope of elucidation ? - Silver, and others, pp. 96, 97, &c.)
rudely and deeply notched round the edge; about Perhaps I may be permitted to append another the size of a farthing (the real original copper poem from the same collection (p. 75), which I farthing, I mean, not the new bronze inconvedo not remember to have met with in print niences); obverse, a head, with diadem, necklace, before ?
and ear-rings; hair falling in one long curl down " ON A PAINTED LADY.
back; terminated at the base of throat, without “ Is't for a grace, or is't for some dislike,
drapery; no legend, except the letters “ S. C.” at Where others give ye lippe, you give the cheeke; back of head. Reverse, figure of Victory, in Some houlde it for a pride of your behaviour,
chariot, drawn by three horses, gifted with ten legs But I do rather count it as a favour.
only among them; legend, over the horses “ XVII." Wherefore to shew my kindnesse and my love, under their feet, “Ĉ. GnÆ. BAS.” The features I leave both lipps and cheekes, and kisse your glove. of the face are decidedly Egyptian, and do not in Now what's the cause? To make you full acquainted, the least resemble the engraved coins of the Your glove's perfum’d, your lippes and cheekes be Empress Cornelia Gnæa, to whom I at first suppainted."-(ANON.)
posed the medal to belong. HERMENTRUDE. Who is the author ? The MS. referred to contains many poems
Waldo FAMILY (3rd S. iii. 191, 397 ; iv. 136.) by Donne, Raleigh, Hoskins, Francis Davison,
Since my first query I have obtained much inBrooke, Sidney, and others; some of which un
formation respecting this family, of which in the
time of Charles II. Sir Edward Waldo was the head. doubtedly exist only in MS.
John A. HARPER.
The family sprung originally, it is said, from Peter
Waldo of Lyons (see Hasted's History of Kent, Hulme.
vol. i. p. 397 n.). One of his descendants came to HEROD THE GREAT (3rd S. iv. 87.)-I am not England, temp. Elizabeth, from the Netherlands, aware of the existence of any contemporary coins to avoid the persecution of the Duke d'Alva, and which bear the likeness of Herod the Great; the married twice, and had by his first wife two sons, types of his money, or of that attributed to him, Laurence and Robert. The eldest, Laurence, had usually show the manna-pot and lily, while the fifteen children; Laurence's fifth son, Daniel, had coins of Herod Agrippa bear the sacred “um- a numerous family. His first son was Daniel, brella” and wheat-ears. About which of the father of Rev. Dr. Waldo, rector of Aston Clinton. Cleopatras does MR. ŞImpson inquire ? If he de- His second son was Sir Edward Waldo, Knight. sires to see a good likeness of Cleopatra, the friend His third son was Timothy Waldo, who was of Marc Antony, he will find it in Mr. Hum- grandfather of Sir Timothy Waldo, Knight; and phrey's Coin-Collectors' Manual, pl. 7, p. 136, bis fourth son, Samuel Waldo, was the ancestor of vol. i.
Her portrait usually appears on one side the Waldo-Sibthorpe family. I am not able to of the coin, and that of Antony on the other : in state whether the American branch of the Waldo silver and brass they are not very rare.
family is connected with the above family. It is CHESSBOROUGH.
possible that branch may have sprung from the P.S. Why not try the British Museum ?
original family of Waldo, and emigrated direct
from the Netherlands to America. Nevertheless If a complete tyro in numismatics may be al- I incline to the opinion that it derived from the lowed to speak when authorities“ make no sign," English family. I will forward direct to MR. it may possibly be of some use to MR. SIMPSON WHITMORE such information as I possess respectto know that he will find a coin of Herod ing the latter family. Was Cornelius of Ipswich, the Great, and another of Herod Archelaus, en- Mass. 1654, the grandfather of Brig.-Gen. Samuel graved at p. 14 of Akerman's Introduction to the Waldo? What is the date of the Waldo patent, Study of Ancient and Modern Coins, but not pre
and what did it comprise ? senting any portrait. Mr. Akerman remarks that There is an English family of the name of the coins of Herod the Great " are very scarce, Waldo, who derive from Joseph Waldo of Boston, and are seldom well preserved.” A coin of Cleo- merchant, who came to Bristol in 1783, which patra is engraved in Whelan's Numismatic Atlas of Joseph Waldo was, I believe, a grandson of Corthe Roman Empire. Would not coins of both be nelius Waldo, a brother of Brig.-Gen. Waldo; found in the British Museum ? I possess myself but I presume Mr. WHITMORE's question rather a small silver medal, which I suspect to be a applies to the connection of the first of the name medal of Cleopatra, and I should be greatly obliged who settled in America with some English family. to any one who could satisfy me on the subject.
M. C. I.
SINAVEE OR SINAVEY (3rd S. iv. 111.) —"A
Miscellaneous. copious spring near the old Kirk of Mains, For
NOTES ON BOOKS. farshire, bears this name.” This is undoubtedly the Norse Saint “Sunniva," whose church and Shakespeare-Characters ; chiefly those subordinate. By C. shrine at Bergen were very famous. She was of
Cowden Clarke. (Smith, Elder & Co.) Irish origin, according to the legend, and left her Those who remember the delight with which the Lec
tures on the Clowns and other Minor Characters in Shakenative country on account of its being so harassed by the Northern pirates. Sailing round by the speare's Plays, which Mr. Cowden Clarke was in the habit
of delivering some few years ago, were listened to by north of Scotland, she landed on Selja isle, near crowded and admiring audiences, will think he has done Stadtland, in Norway. Here her relics were wisely in revising and remodelling those Lectures for the found in the time of King Olaf Tryggvason, and purpose of presenting them to the reading public. Nor were afterwards solemnly translated to Bergen. Mr. Clarke appreciated the depth and variety of Shades
will those who know how heartily and how thoroughly The history of St. Sunniva is given at full length speare's genius, regret that he has endeavoured to give by Munch'in his admirable History of Norway, completeness and interest to the present publication by vol. ii. p. 296-297, 8, and the legend may be read including in it an explanation of the more prominent in Langebek, Script. Rerum Danic, vol. iv. p. 14- characters in each drama. Our author pronounces the 21. EDWARD CHARLTON, M.D.
genius of Shakespeare " the greatest and most lovable
that was ever vouchsafed to humanity," and that opinion 7, Eldon Square, Newcastle.
gives the keynote to these pleasant lectures, in which CRUSH A Cup (3rd S. iii. 493.) – There is a
love and reverence for the subject of them seem ever
striving for the mastery. passage in Pliny (Nat. Hist., xxxvii
. 2) which suggests the idea that freaks of this sort may be
The Young Man's Meditation ; or, Some few Sacred Poems justified by classical precedent. I quote from Hol
upon Select Subjects and Scriptures. By Samuel Cross
(Sedgwick.) land's translation, which is a rather free expansion A Comprehensive Index of Names of Original Authors of of the original :
Hymns, Versifiers of Psalms, &c. Second Edition, en“There are not many yeares past, since that a noble larged. By Daniel Sedgwick. (Sedgwick.) man who had been consul of Rome, used to drinke out of The first of these publications --- a reprint of the edition this cup; and notwithstanding that in pledging upon a of Crossman's Religious Poems published in 1664 - is a time, a lady whom he fancied, he bit a piece out of the brim new Part of Mr. Sedgwick’s curious Library of Spiritual thereof (which her sweet lips touched); yet this injurie done Songs. The second is an enlarged edition of his very to it rather made it more esteemed and valued at a higher useful Index of English Hymn and Psalm Writers. price; neither is there at this day a cup of Cassidoine more pretious or dearer than the same.” John Eliot HODGKIN.
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