should certainly vote for the Motion of his hon, Friend. Mr. Redington, in reply, said he did not see why a restriction should be imposed on the Bank of Ireland, to which the provincial banks were not liable. He did not want the Bank of Ireland to be allowed to lend money for the purpose of draining lands; but to be allowed to exercise the same discretion which was left to every other bank in the kingdom. He should divide the House upon the clause. The House divided on the Question, that the clause be now read a second time:-Ayes 12; Noes 51; Majority 39. List of the AYES. this was the first time he had heard any wish of the kind expressed; and would not, therefore, undertake to give an opinion on the subject. He should, however give the subject his consideration. On looking at the state of Ireland, it appeared to him, that Cork and Limerick were places where it would be necessary for the banks to retain specie. Londonderry and Belfast, he thought, might be under the same necessity. Of the four branches that were to retain specie, he was of opinion that two of them might be in any one province; but he did not think a greater number necessary. Sir D. Norreys considered, that those banks which had not the security of having a certain quantity of bullion in their Somerville, Sir W. M. coffers, would not have the same opportu Trelawny, J. S. Wyse, T. TELLERS. Redington, T. N. List of the Noes. Greene, T. hon. T.B.C. TELLERS. Young, J. Sir W. Somerville was understood to ask whether public companies might be allowed, as was the case in Scotland, to place large sums of money, ordered by Parliament, in any bank established in Ireland by Act of Parliament or Royal Charter? The Chancellor of the Exchequer said, nity of extending their business as the banks which retained specie. He would rather see the banks deprived of the power of issuing notes beyond the bullion in their possession, than allow a few banks to enjoy such exclusive advantages. The Chancellor of the Exchequer thought the plan proposed in the Bill would be of great convenience to bankers generally, while it would give the public sufficient security, that the bond fide amount of gold in possession of the banks would be equal to the amount of notes issued. The O'Conor Don did not regard as a concession the allowance of two banks of issue in one of the provinces, while the other three provinces would be limited to two more. If the right hon. the Chancellor of the Exchequer would allow two banks where business was extensive, as in the south, for instance, and allow also a bank for each province, that would be going a step further than the hon. Member for Kildare, and might be looked upon as a concession. Mr. W. S. O'Brien said, he felt himself compelled to attend the House while the present measure was before it. Although he knew how ineffectual any remonstrance on his part would be, when directed against a Bill brought forward by the Government, still he could scarcely divest himself of the obligation which he felt, as an Irish Member, to resist bad measures. He had to complain that due notice of this measure had not been given to the people of Ireland. It was only last Saturday, that the Directors of the Bank of Ireland waited on him, and informed him that they had not seen the Bill since it had been reprinted with the Amendments. The measure was of great importance to a nation inhabited by 9,000,000 of people; and it was but just, that they should have at least a few days allowed them to make themselves acquainted with its provisions. He was not surprised that the right hon. Baronet should have proposed a Bill like the present. It was in exact conformity with the Bill of 1819. The principle of both was to make gold dear-to sacrifice the debtor for the benefit of the creditor. This Bill afforded no security to the public, for it allowed banks to issue to a certain amount without any security on their part against failure. The Bill was calculated to injure the Hibernian and Royal Banks by extending the monopoly of the Bank of Ireland. Every one who had read the opening statement of the right hon. Baronet must have been taken by suprise to find that the circulation of the banks was limited, not to the amount of gold in their coffers, but to the amount in the principal bank. He would make this proposition, that the banks should be allowed, to a limited amount, to issue notes on the deposit of Government stock. He begged pardon of the House for detaining them at this time, and he would now move, as a mode of putting on record his opposition to the measure, that it be recommitted. Mr. Speaker intimated that the hon. Gentleman was too late in making this Amendment. and complained that, in the Amendments which had been proposed, the Irish Members were completely overwhelmed by English Members, who came in just be fore the division. Viscount Bernard protested against the statements of hon. Gentlemen opposite, that the feeling of Ireland was against the Bill. He had not received a single letter in opposition to the Bill, nor had he heard a single word against it. For him self he approved cordially of the principles of the Bill. Mr. Borthwick said, that he had voted with the Government on this Bill; but if he had done wrong, that was the fault of the hon. Member for Limerick and others, that they had not come to the Hou e to enlighten him. Amendment negatived. Report received. Bill to be read a third time. The House adjourned at half-past one o'clock. HOUSE OF LORDS, Friday, June 13, 1845. MINUTES.] BILLS. Public. 1. Banking (Scotland); Schoolmasters (Scotland); Silk Weavers. Private.-1 Sampson's Estate (Ward's); Aberdeen Railway; Lancaster and Carlisle Railway; Chelsea Improvement; Dublin and Drogheda Railway; York and North Midland Railway (Harrogate Branch); Duke of Bridgewater's Trustees' Estate (Archbishop of York's). 2. Hill's Estate; Manchester and Leeds Railway (Burnley, Oldham, and Heywood Branches); Berks and Hants Railway; Lowestoft Railway and Harbour; Kendal and Windermere Railway; Blackburn, Darwen, and Bolton Railway; North British Railway; Yarmouth and Norwich Railway; London and Greenwich Railway; West of London and Westminster Cemetery; Midland Railways (Syston to Peterborough); Leeds and West Riding Junction Railway; Great Grimsby and Sheffield Junction Railway; Hull and Selby Railway (Bridlington Branch); Edinburgh and Hawick Railway; Ely and Huntingdon Railway; Taunton Gas. Mr. W. S. O'Brien regretted that he had been misled as to the proper time of inaking the Motion. He would then move that the debate be adjourned for a fortnight, to allow time for the Irish people Reported. Huddersfield and Manchester Railway and to consider the measure. Canal; Blackburn, Burnley, Accrington, and Cone Extension Railway; Rochdale Vicarage (Molesworth's) Estate; Glasgow Markets; Stokenchurch Road; Leeds, Dewsbury and Manchester Railway; Huddersfield and Sheffield Junction Railway; Chester and Holyhead Railway; Leeds and Bradford Railway Extension (Shipley to Colne); Watermen's Company Endowment. 3a and passed :-Hawkins' Estate. The Chancellor of the Exchequer hoped, that the hon. Gentleman would content himself with recording his opinion, without impeding the business of the House. should be sorry if it were supposed that PETITIONS PRESENTED. By Bishop of Cashel, Duke of He the Government had proceeded with undue haste in this measure; and he need only remind the House that the Bill was printed so far back as the 7th of May, and every objection which could be urged had been fully considered by the Govern ment. Mr. E. B. Roche said, that the Bill, as it stood, differed from the statement made on its introduction by the right hon. Baronet at the head of the Government, Richmond, Marquess of Breadalbane, and by Lords Brougham, and Kenyon, from Free Church, Newhaven, and numerous other places, against Increase of Grant to College of Maynooth.-From Clergy and others of Derry, and 2 other places, for Inquiry into the Course of Instruction adopted at Maynooth College.-From Freemen and Widows of Leicester, against the Leicester Freemen's Allotments Bill.-From Ballygawley, and several other places, for Encouragement to Schools in connexion with Church Education Society (Ireland).-From William Mason, a Prisoner for Debt confined in Stafford Gaol, against Imprisonment for Debt.-From Magistrates of Bridgewater, for the adoption of a Measure to prevent the indiscriminate sale of Poisonous Drugs.-From Arthur B. Perceval, B.C.L., one of the Chaplains in Ordi nary to Her Majesty, praying to be heard at the Bar against the Maynooth College Bill.-From Inhabitants of Clonguish, County of Longford, for the adoption of a Measure for the Protection of Property.-From Presbytery of Forres, for Improving the Condition of Schoolmasters (Scotland).-From Bolney, for Repeal of High way Rates Act.—From Kelso, against the Granting of Spirit Licenses to Tollhouses (Scotland). MESSAGE FROM THE QUEEN SIR HENRY POTTINGER.] The Earl of Aberdeen informed the House that he had a Message from Her Majesty. Message delivered, and read by the Lord Chancellor, as follows: "VICTORIA R.--Her Majesty being desirous of conferring a signal Mark of Her Favour and Approbation on the Right Honourable Sir Henry Pottinger, Baronet and G. C. B., for the eminent Services rendered by him; and particularly for the Zeal, Ability, and Judgment displayed by him, as Her Majesty's Plenipotentiary, in the Negotiation of Treaties of Peace and of Commerce with the Emperor of China, recommends it to the House of Lords to concur in enabling Her Majesty to make Provision for securing to Sir Henry Pottinger a Pension of 1,500l. per Annum for the Term of his natural Life.—V. R.” The Earl of Aberdeen gave notice, that on Monday next he should move, that Her Majesty's most gracious Message be taken into consideration by their Lordships. House the case of Mr. Mackesy, which had an intimate connexion with the Motion of the right rev. Prelate (the Bishop of Cashel), and which case he considered ought not to be delayed even till Tuesday next, when that Motion was to come forward. He should, therefore, avail himself of the opportunity which the presentation of these petitions gave him to lay before the House the particulars of that case. It appeared that Mr. Mackesy bad applied to the right rev. Prelate for a parish which was soon expected to become vacant; and ragement, although he forwarded the highthat this application received no encouest testimonials, extending over a period of more than a quarter of a century; but it appeared that the right rev. Gentleman had declined to give Mr. Mackesy promotion, on what he was pleased to call the testimony of his own overweening approbation. Now, he held in his hand extracts from the testimonials of the Rev. Mr. Mackesy for services which extended over a quarter of a century; and certainly, those recommendations contained as well-founded a claim for professional promotion, founded upon professional merits, as any clergyman in the Church of Ireland could have sent in. Those testimonials were shown to the right rev. Prelate, who was at this time a stranger to the diocese. He would now refer to another part of the statement of the right rev. Prelate, which had given the greatest pain to the Rev. Mr. Mackesy. that he had never rebuked the Rev. Mr. RAILWAYS.] Lord Brougham presented a petition from Mr. Henry Stafford North-He found, that "the Bishop of Cashel said, cote, eldest son of Sir Stafford Northcote, taking notice of the proceedings respecting the lawn and grounds in the possession of Dr. Freer, held under the petitioner's father. The petitioner stated, that his The petitioner stated, that his father had made arrangements which would, as he thought, equally secure the interests of Dr. Freer and himself; and stating further, that he fully intended to give Dr. Freer his due proportion of whatever compensation might be obtained from the Railway Company; that he had urged upon the Company Dr. Freer's claim as tenant, and his father's as owner, THE BISHOP OF CASHEL-REV. MR. MACKESY.] The Bishop of Cashel having presented several petitions against the grant to Maynooth, and postponed his Motion on the subject of education until Tuesday, The Marquess of Normanby stated, that he wished to bring under the notice of the Mackesy at the visitation at Lismore." He (the Marquess of Normanby) had that morning received a letter from the Rev. morning received a letter from the Rev. Mr. Mackesy on this subject, which he would beg permission to read to their Lordships. Mr. Mackesy said that "With regard to the Bishop of Cashel's charge, delivered in 1843 at Lismore, I never knew it had been printed until I read the debate in the House of Lords. The impression charge was anything but calculated to produce made upon my mind at that time was, that the good feeling between Protestants and Roman Catholics; and I have heard the same opinion repeatedly expressed by others. I have not read the charge myself; but I have been told by others, who have read it, that the wording appears less forcible than in the delivery, and that it seems to be in an amended form. I have never particularized any passages in the charge, as my memory did not fully enable me to do so, but spoke of it generally from my recollection of its delivery. I do not recollect that the subject of national education was in troduced in the charge, but in conversation; and I beg leave to state briefly the expressions used by the Bishop to me on the occasion. He observed, that he would be better pleased that I had no school at all, rather than the national one I had established in my parish; and, in answer to a question addressed by me to his Lordship, he stated his opinion, that no Protestant clergyman could, consistently with his duty, visit a national school even for the purpose of seeing the rules fairly carried out. Much more was said condemnatory of the national system; but the above expressions were taken down by me in writing on my return home from the visitation. The Bishop of Cashel has asserted in the House of Lords, that he did not censure me for my connexion with the national system; but his Lordship has doubtlessly forgot the circumstance, and the accompanying documents will prove that his memory on the point is defective. In addition, I beg to observe that, in the month of March last, I stated in a letter to the Rev. Mr. Maunsell, intended for the Bishop's inspection, and I suppose laid before his Lordship, as it was written by his desire, the severe manner in which the Bishop had animadverted on my opinions with regard to national education, at the visitation of Lismore in 1843. If I had made any mis-statement in that letter, surely some comment would have been since made, either by the Bishop or the Rev. Mr. Maunsell, who was present at the visitation, and heard what passed on the occasion. In conclusion, permit me to remark that, while candidly expressing my own opinions, I have been most careful in observing the respect due to my Bishop. Trusting that your Lordship may be enabled to make this statement in the House of Lords, and clear me from the imputation of having stated what was not the fact, I have the honour to be," &c. Now, but the feeling on my own mind, as well as on the generality of those present, unquestionably was, that a severe censure had been passed on you." He (the Marquess of Normanby) had now done what he considered due to an injured gentleman who was not here to defend himself; and he had afforded the right rev. Prelate an opportunity of making reparation to the injured feelings of the Rev. Mr. Mackesy. Although the right rev. Prelate had given to the world a publication in which he commented upon the propriety of his (the Marquess of Normanby's) conduct, in some remarks he had made with reference to that right rev. Prelate, he should have thought the right rev. Prelate would have exercised a little more caution before he so positively denied the deliberate assertion of the rev. Mr. Mackesy. The Bishop of Cashel said, the noble Marquess had brought a heavy charge against him, which he was happy to have the opportunity of answering before their Lordships. He must beg leave to deny most distinctly having ever rebuked Mr. Mackesy at his visitation, for maintaining a connexion with the National Board of Education. The visitation in 1843 was the only occasion on which he had been in company with the Rev. Mr. Mackesy, in common with many others of his clergy; and he then interrogated every clergyman, as it was his duty to do, with reference to the establishment of English schools. For the noble Marquess might not be aware that every clergyman of the Established Church in Ireland swore at his institution that he would maintain an English school in his parish; and he (the Bishop of Cashel) thought it his duty, on the occasion to which he referred, to inquire whether each clergyman had, according to his oath, an English school in his parish. This regulation had not been complied with by the Rev. Mr. Mackesy; and he certainly did express his disapprobation of that rev. gentleman's conduct in this respect; but he would venture to say that he never rebuked that rev. gen"In reply to your note relative to the visita- tleman, or used one single word of severity tion held at Lismore, in 1843, I beg to state towards him. He was sorry to say, that he that I was present at it, and the impression made found many parishes in the county of Wateron my mind at the time was, that the Bishop ford destitute of English schools; he found expressed considerable displeasure with you that there was in that district a great want for taking any part in the national schools. of schools for the education of children of After the lapse of so long a time, I cannot take upon myself to repeat the exact expres- Protestants; and he did express his hope sions used by the Bishop on that occasion; and made a most earnest recommenda tion on the subject to every clergyman in his diocese-that a school might be established in every parish in connexion with the Church Education Society. To that he pleaded guilty; and a statement to that effect would be found in his charge. He certainly did reprove-if he might use the term those clergymen who were content without any schools they could consider their own in their several parishes; and who allowed the children of Protestants to attend the national schools, which were under the patronage of the priests. He considered it his duty, as a bishop of the Established Church, to adopt this course; and as long as he occupied his present situation he would endeavour duly to perform that duty. He had the happiness of knowing that, since the time to which he referred, six or seven English schools had been established in parishes within his diocese. He considered it essential to the maintenance of Protestantism -especially in the south of Ireland, where the number of Protestants was small-that they should have schools in which they might train the Protestant youth in the way in which they should go (which, in his opinion, was not according to the Roman Catholic system), so that when they were old they might not depart from it. Of endeavouring to effect this object he was guilty; but he distinctly denied having used any severe language with reference to Mr. Mackesy, or others in the same situation. He had that morning received letters from different clergymen in the county of Waterford, expressing their strong conviction and recollection that no such language as that attributed to him had ever escaped from his lips. At a dinner at the time of the visitation, when all the clergy were assembled, a conversation took place on this subject; and he then stated the high sense he entertained of the value of the Church Education Society, and evinced his attachment to the institution by giving a large subscription to its funds. On that occasion, during a familiar conversation after dinner, the Rev. Mr. Mackesy, in a very proper way-in a manner which did not excite any angry feeling-spoke in favour of the National Board; but there was no expression as to any opposition of sentiment between Mr. Mackesy and himself. With reference to one portion of the noble Marquess's remarks, namely, the letter which he (the Bishop of Cashel) had written, and in which he was supposed to have used expressions disparaging Mr. Mackesy, he (the Bishop of Cashel) wished to say, that he had never expressed any opinion prejudicial to the Rev. Mr. Mackesy. What he had stated with reference to not wishing to have the opinions of clergymen themselves as to their qualifications, he never meant to apply to Mr. Mackesy; he merely wished it to be understood in the diocese that he deemed it his duty to consider the zeal and ability of the several clergymen in the diocese from personal observation, rather than to have each clergyman coming forward and applying for this or that parish, on his own representations. That was the view that he entertained; and now, since the subject had been brought forward, he must state something relative to Mr. Mackesy, which their Lordships would be surprised to hear. He had in his possession a letter which, if he had to-night presented the petition of which he had given notice, he would have read to their Lordships. The letter to which he referred was from the Rev. Mr. Mackesy to the rector of Monksland-a place of which the Rev. Mr. Mackesy had the charge for six or seven weeks, and was dated May, 1843. In that letter Mr. Mackesy stated that, during his short residence at Monksland, he found that the Protestant children attended the national school; and he thought that was not a fit place for them to attend; he expressed a strong opinion that a school in connexion with the Church Education Society ought to be established in the parish, and stated that he considered the bishop ought to be onsulted on the subject. When he (the Bishop of Cashel) became acquainted with the circumstance, he immediately set about the establishment of a Church of England school, in order that the children of Protestants might not be obliged to attend the national school. In the letter of Mr. Mackesy to which he referred, that rev. gentleman stated that, though he was a friend to the national system of educa tion, where a better could not be adopted, and where a Protestant school could not be established, yet he considered that in such a parish as Monksland they ought to have a school in connexion with the Church Education Society. Mr. Mackesy, however, now came forward as if he were the champion of the National Board; but on Tuesday next he (the Bishop of Cashel) would read the letter of the rev. gentle ( |