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HANSARD'S

HER MAJESTY QUEEN VICTORIA.

SECOND VOLUME OF THE SESSION.

tion of Benefices (No. 59).

Report-Post Office Savings Banks (No. 47).
Third Reading Births and Deaths Registra-
tion (Ireland) (No. 57); and passed.
Royal Assent-Consolidated Fund (£10,000,000)
[26 & 27 Vict., c. 6]; Naval Coast Volunteers
Act Amendment [26 & 27 Vict., c. 5]; Malt
Duty [26 & 27 Vict., c. 3]; Union Relief Aid
Act (1862) Continuance [26 & 27 Vict., c. 7];
Tobacco Duties [26 & 27 Vict., c. 4].

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DUBLIN METROPOLITAN RAILWAY

BILL. QUESTION.

Police in each County in Ireland during the year 1860;" and of details connected with that subject.

THE MARQUESS OF CLANRICARDE, EARL GRANVILLE, in reply, said, that rose to present a petition from the Guar- the noble Earl had frequently been apdians of the North Poor Law Union of pealed to by Peers on both sides of the Dublin against the Metropolitan Railway House not to make Motions without preBill; and to ask whether the Irish Go- viously giving sufficient notice. The noble vernment or the Board of Trade has ex- Earl gave notice only last night of his inpressed any opinion upon the merits of tention to move for two sets of Returnsthat Bill? The noble Marquess said, that one set of eight, and the other of thirteen the petitioners represented that the project Returns. It was impossible to communiin question, if carried into effect, would cate in that short time with the Irish do infinite mischief to Dublin. The Bill Government. The noble Earl opposite proposed to carry a railway by means of (the Earl of Ellenborough) once pointed bridges over no less than fifty thorough-out the absolute duty of Her Majesty's fares, thus cutting the city right through from west to east, destroying its beauty, interrupting the general traffic, and injuring the trade of the shopkeepers. The question was, whether a much better plan might not be adopted. Their Lordships were unanimous last night in thinking that the metropolitan railways ought not to be left to be decided upon singly by Select Committees, but that a Commission ought to be appointed to consider the subject as a whole. He trusted that Dublin would have the benefit of the same science and experience; and he had therefore, to ask whether the Government or the Board of Trade had expressed any opinion on the merits of the Dublin Metropolitan Bill?

EARL GRANVILLE said, the LordLieutenant had communicated with the Board of Trade, and by the time the Bill came before their Lordships he hoped that their Report would be laid on the table.

THE EARL OF LEITRIM said, that the Dublin Metropolitan Railway Bill was a most wanton encroachment on the citizens of Dublin. It would materially injure the harbour, and would be a perfect nuisance to the citizens. He doubted very much whether, if their Lordships sanctioned the Bill, the railway would be made, and still more whether, if made, it would pay. He believed that it would be very easy to form a junction between the existing railways without interferring with the city of

Dublin.

POLICE REWARDS (IRELAND).

ADDRESS FOR RETURNS.

THE EARL OF LEITRIM moved, That an humble Address be presented to Her Majesty for a Return showing the "Number of Rewards offered by Officers of

Government examining such notices, in order to avoid unnecessary expenditure of money and time. It was, for that reason, impossible to accede to the present Motion. The noble Earl might renew it after the recess; or, if it was inconvenient for him to attend the House for that purpose, it would (if the Returns were really worth having) be easy for him to procure the assistance of a noble Friend to move for them.

THE EARL OF LEITRIM said, he would postpone his Motion till after the recess.

BIRTHS AND DEATHS REGISTRATION (IRELAND) BILL—(No. 57.)

THIRD READING.

Bill read 3 (according to Order).

THE EARL OF BANDON moved an Amendment on the 23rd clause of the Bill, that

Vacancy."

"The Guardians of any Union shall appoint a Person, with such Qualifications as the RegistrarGeneral may by any general Rule declare to be necessary, to be Registrar of Births and Deaths in each District, and in any case of Vacancy in the office of Registrar shall forthwith fill up the He believed this proposal would give great satisfaction in Ireland, and it would tend to assimilate the machinery of registration in Ireland to that of England. Under the system as suggested by the Bill, he feared ill feeling would be excited between the dispensary doctors and the workhouse doctors. It was said, that if his Amendment were carried, the Bill would be lost; but he hoped their Lordships would not be deterred from considering his proposition on its merits.

THE EARL OF ST. GERMANS said, he should oppose the Amendment. The question it raised had been discussed in the

other House, and the proposal was rejected. The dispensary doctors were very intelligent gentlemen and well fitted for the performance of the duties the Bill imposed upon them, and he did not believe any professional jealousy could be engendered between them and the workhouse doctors.

He, moreover, thought it very undesirable to introduce a bone of contention by encouraging contested elections for this office.

THE EARL OF LEITRIM thought it desirable to assimilate the law of England and Ireland, and supported the Amendment. He objected to the charge of registration imposed on the poor rate by the Bill. He thought it should be a charge on the Consolidated Fund.

THE EARL OF DERBY said, his noble Friend who had just sat down, had diverted the attention of the House from the question immediately before it. He said that the charge should be thrown on the Consolidated Fund; that was not in accordance with his other argument, that they should assimilate the law of England and Ireland. If they were to do so, the charge must be on the local fund. As to the question itself, there was a good deal in the argument as to limiting the choice of the registrars to the dispensary doctors. They were, no doubt, generally very well calculated to discharge the duties of their office; but there were instances in which their other duties would occupy so much of their time as to render it impossible for them to do so, and in some large towns it might be desirable to have a registrar who would devote his whole time to the particular business. He did not entertain the same apprehension which the noble Earl opposite (the Earl of St. Germans) did, as to the contested elections that would take place if the boards of guardians elected the registrars; and there was considerable force in the argument that those who found the funds should chose those who were to receive them. He understood that this Amendment had been discussed in the House of Commons, when the view taken by the Government was affirmed by a majority of two to one. He could hardly think, that if the Amendment were carried, the Government would be justified in throwing up the Bill; but still, even while inclined to agree with the view taken by his noble Friend (the Earl of Bandon), he knew the great difficulty there had been in obtaining a system of registration for Ireland; and he would therefore suggest that the Amendment should not be pressed.

Amendment (by leave of the House) withdrawn.

Bill passed, and sent to the Commons. AUGMENTATION OF BENEFICES BILL. (NO. 59.) SECOND READING.

Moved, That the Bill be now read 2a.

THE EARL OF SHAFTESBURY said, that not having been present when the subject was brought forward on the previous evening, he desired now to express his most hearty concurrence in the proposal of the Lord Chancellor.

THE BISHOP OF LONDON said, he could not allow that opportunity to pass without expressing the great importance which the right rev. Prelates attached to the Bill now before their Lordships. On the point of affirming the principle of the Bill no discussion was likely to take place, and therefore he would detain their Lordships but a few moments. The Bill appeared to him the more important that it was, as far as he knew, the first piece of ecclesiastical legislation submitted to the House by any Government for the last six years and a half, with the exception of the measure to continue the Ecclesiastical Commission. He must be allowed to say that they did not on that account feel less grateful to the noble and learned Lord for having taken up this question of the augmentation of small benefices in so practical a spirit. The difficulty to be contended with in dealing with such a question arose mainly from the necessity of adjusting the new state of things to arrangements, many of which belonged to old times. Many attempts had been made, during the last six years, to introduce alterations in reference to our ecclesiastical system, but all these attempts had failed, because they had been unable to secure the assistance of the Government The consequence was that noble Lords who had brought measures before their Lordships had not been able to carry them, for want of such assistance. A noble Lord (Lord Lyttelton) a short time ago brought in a measure in reference to the increase of the episcopate, and a noble Duke (the Duke of Marlborough), who was then present, had endeavoured to settle the very difficult question of church rates; but so long as such matters were left to individual effort, the right rev. Bench were persuaded that it was impossible that any satisfactory conclusion could be arrived at in reference to those ecclesiastical improvements which they

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