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of 'N. & Q.' It would please mady, I dare say, March 25 and March 26 of that year, two different
Majesty in Council, and approved, his Majesty was Earls Heaton, Dewsbury.
thereupon graciously pleased to deliver the said new Soal
to the Right Honourable Edward Lord Thurlow, Lord An ancient-looking poor-box stands just inside High Chancellor of Great Britain, and to direct that the the south door of Leigh Church, Essex. On the same shall be made use of for sealing all things whatso
ever which pass the Great Seal.”
I cannot find any mention of the recovery of this
old seal, but there is “an anecdote” respecting
the “Great Seal of England,” which was thrown pore
into the Thames by James II., being brought up remember
in the net of “ a fisherman between Lambeth and
J. F. MANSERGA.
Liverpool. "TøE New TIMON'(8th S. iii. 328). -Io answer There is no record of any subsequent recovery of to TANG JE POVS, I send the lines :
the Great Seal, which was stolen from Lord Not mine, not mine (O Muse forbid !) the boon
Thurlow's house in Great Ormond Street on Of borrowed notes, the mock-bird's modish tune,
March 24, 1784. An Ordor in Council was The jingling medley of purloin'd conceits, Out babying Wordsworth, and out glittering Keatos [sic] of slightly altered design, and so expeditiously was
immediately made for the engraving of a new seal, Where all the airs of patchwork.pastoral chime To drowsy ears in Tennysonian rhyme !
this done that the king was able to deliver it to Am I enthrall'd but by the sterile rule,
the Chancellor on the following day. Lord CampThe formal pupil of a frigid school,
bell, in his ' Lives of the Chancellors,' quotes some If to old laws my Spartan tastes adhere, If the old vigorous music charms my ear,
satirical lines from the 'Rolliad' in allusion to the Where sense with round, and ease with weight combine, loss of the seal; and the same author adds in a In the pure silver of Pope's ringing line ;
note (v. 565) that, for some unknown reason, the Or where the pulse of man beats loud and strong Great Seal was again changed some six weeks In the frank flow of Dryden's lusty song?
Fort Augustus, N.B.
The Hon. Mrs. Jadis, writing to her father,
Lord Delaval, March 27, 1784, says :-
" The town for these few days past has been very Tho' Theban taste the Saxon's purse controuls,
much taken up with tho Robbery committed at the And pensions Tennyson, while starves a Knowles,
Chancellor's the other night. I make no doubt but you Rather, be thou, my poor Pierian Maid,
bave seen the whole account in the papers. It needed Decent at least, in Hayley's weeds array'd,
not to have stopped the issuing of the writs a day for any Than patch with frippery every tinsel lino,
seal the King chose to give I imagine would be the same And flaunt, admired, the Rag Fair of the Nine ! thing, but the thieves left the Brass impression with the • The New Timon, a Romance of London,' Henry
W. B. Thomas.
SCOTTISH COUNTIES (8th S. ii. 229, 331).
Astarte will find the names of the old divisions THE GREAT SEAL (8th S. iii. 267). — The of Scotland in a map (No. 13) of that country in London Chronicle for 1784 bas, under the dates | 1285, which is contained in Gardiner's 'School
Atlas of English History.' This atlas was pub- “poet's friend " leaves no room for doubt as to lished last year as a Companion' to the whom Tennyson refers to as “the Pilot.” Though 'Student's History of England.'
published recently in the Athonum, his explana
J. F. MANSERGA. tion deserves the farther notice it will receive in Liverpool
‘N. & Q.':“ TROUTS” (8th S. iii. 366). --Moulo's 'Heraldry "Like many other Tennysonians, C. is in error in supof Fish' has an interesting chapter on trout as a posing that Tennyson, in the lines, — bearing; but the author never speaks of this charge
I hope to see my Pilot face to face
When I have crost the bar, with the s added (no matter what number may as most scrupulously exact and laboriously pains- Pilot is alone conclusive as to whether or not he appear upon the shield), and he is always regarded referred to Arthur Henry Hallam, or to his son Lionel,
or to any other person...... His use of a capital P. in taking, I believe.
alluded to an individual. Why do they suppose that I Water Orton,
spelt “ Pilot" with a big P?' he would say when told This plural form of trout is of much earlier date that people were in the habit of reading into the lines a
personal reference. This contradiction must be taken than the Diary' of Sir Walter Scott. It occurs, not as the expression merely of my own opinion upon 6.g., in Beaumont and Fletcher's “The Scornful the point, but as the statement of a matter of fact quite Lady,' Act III.:
beyond discussion, and established by the testimony of Be a baron, and a bold one,
the present Lord Tennyson, whose letter upon the subject
lies before me."-No. 3391, p. 555. Leave off your tickling of young heirs like trouts, And let thy chimnies smoke.
We have to thank P. X. for pointing out a WALTER B. KINGSFORD. beautiful prose parallel of Lord Tennyson's exLincoln's Inn.
quisite little poem. The ideas were analogous, LAURAS (8th S. iii. 320).—May I supplement Russell's marine novel. Viewed in the light of
though possibly the Laureate never read Clark an editorial reply? If T. wants to know what sublunary navigation, the idea of taking a pilot on Lauras are, he should read 'Hypatia.'
board when the bar was crossed is incongruous. EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A.
But Tennyson spoke of the voyage spiritual ; the “A FLY ON THE CORPORAL” (8th S. ii. 147, 298).
bar symbolizes death, and the sea, the great, unNeed we go to any old play for the origin of “Keep known, chartless and trackless ocean of eternity. your eye on the corporal"? Is it not a direction The imperative need of the Pilot suggests itself used in drilling recruits ?
E. H. M. instantly, and is expressed in both poem and prose. Hastings.
W. A. HENDERSON.
Dublin. SAAKSPEARE AND MOLIÈRE (8th S. ii, 42, 190, 294, 332, 389, 469; iii. 9, 70, 169, 318). - Your
“ CURSE OF SCOTLAND" (8th S. iii. 367, 398). correspondent at the last reference will bave some Looking through the back volumes of N. & Q.,' difficulty in proving that 'The Booke of Troilus I see that there is no probable or possible explanaand Cressida,' Feb. 7, 1602, was written by Shake- tion of this well-known crux that has not been at speare. The preface prefixed to 'The Famous one time or another brought forward. As one Historie' has been sufficient to satisfy Shake- editorial note, however, seems to treat the whole spearean scholars that it was not:
Culloden story as mythical, I will venture to add “The natural inference appears to be, that in 1608 that I believe there is no doubt that Cumberland Shakespeare's • Troilug and Cressida' was a new play did write the order for the massacre of the that got into print-it is hopeless to guess by what channel, illicit or otherwise before it was acted, and wounded insurgents on a nine of diamonds which that the title-page was altered in the course of the year, he picked up from the floor; and I am told on good after it had come out upon the stage."—W. W. Lloyd's authority that the identical card is preserved at Critical Essay on Troilus and Cressida.' "The substance of the book issued in these two forms Errol. It was here, it will be remembered, that
Slains Castle, Aberdeenshire, the seat of Lord being the same, the natural inference is that when first published, the play, as the preface said, had not been Johnson passed a night in August, 1773, and in acted; but that after it bad first been produced at the spite of his “most elegant room,” was kept awake Globe in that year 1609, the fact was recognized by in. by the blaze of the fire, the roar of the sea, and serting a new title-page and omitting the printer's pre: the smell of his pillows "made of the feathers of face that would be no longer true."-Henry Morley's * Introduction to Troilus and Cressida,' Cassell's Library, philosopher the "curiosities” of the place ; but he
some sea-fowl." Lady Errol showed the old Internal evidence also favours the later date.
does not tell us if this card was among them. The W. A. HENDERSON. Dublin.
phrase, however, was certainly in use before 1715.
Lord Justice-Clerk Ormiston was nicknamed the Tennyson's 'CROSSING THE BAR' (8th S. ii. “Curse of Scotland " in 1715. 446 ; iii. 137, 178, 315, 357).-P. X. possibly has
OSWALD, O.S.B. not read Mr. Theodore Watts's reply to C. The Fort Augustus, N.B.
"STOAT," ITS DERIVATION (8th S. ii. 349, 514).
of all the shells known in his time, amounting to upwards In Lincolnsbire the stoat is known as a clubtail
of a thousand, and it deserves to be recorded that they in Holderness, a clubstart.” I recently heard a Lister. He also had a son Alexander of Balliol Col., 0x.,
drawn by his two daughters Susannah and Mary man say he had seen a clubstart bolt into a hole- who mat. 9, 3, 1695/6, aged 16." stock," that is, into the tiled tunnel beneath a gate
O. H. I. G. stead. Stoat is from the Anglo-Saxon steort, a tail. We have the word also in redstart, a bird which is _I do not know this name as architect of a church
CAURCH DESIGNED BY LINDBEY (8th S. iii. 207). one of our common summer visitors. This is simply, and very properly, “red tail.”
in Marylebone. It was the name of the builder,
W. P. John CORDEAUX.
more probably. Eaton Hall, Retford.
Rev. HENRY ADAMS (8th S. iii. 387).WEDDING AND MARRIAGE (8th $. iii. 304): -I Dec. 17, 1794." - Catalogue of all the Graduates in the
“Adams (Honry) Wadb. B.A. June 12, 1789,-M.A. take it that we have here a merely bilingual re-University of Oxford,' 1851, p. 3. duplication ; mas maris, “the male,” shows that
C. F. S. WARREN, M. A. the woman takes her man ; wedding, from wad,
Longford, Coventry. "a pledge," defines the contract that binds thé parties together. All ceremonial usages are super
Col. R. TOWNESEND : THOMAS CARTE (8th S. imposed on the natural action of coupling by iii. 268).-It may help towards the elucidation of agreement.
A. H. the point raised at the reference quoted, in the
heading of which surely Col. R. Townesend's name Titus OATES (8th S. iii. 156, 254, 353).- I saw was not required, to state that Thomas Carte, the my erroneous ways soon after I wrote, but would not bistorian, was the son of an Anglican clergyman, correct the mistakes, being anxious not to flee from
was born at Clifton-upon-Dunsmore, was eduthe deserved rebuke. But though an unusual, it cated at Rugby School and Brasenose College, is not quite an indefensible expression, that 1619 Oxford, was ordained in the Church of England, is later than 1649, when used of a birth, if the was Chaplain to Bishop Atterbury and involved in event is looked at from the standpoint of 1893. bis misfortunes, but was allowed eventually to An undoubted entry exists, dated Jan. 4, 1674/5, return to England, where he died in 1754. The fact signed by Titus as curate of All Saints', Hastings. that he was buried in the chancel of Yattendon
EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. Church, Berkshire, is prima facie evidence that he Hastings.
remained in the Anglican communion. "THE CONFEDERATION OF KILKENNY' (8th S.
A. T. M. üi. 347).— Written by the Rev. C. P. Meehan, and published in “Duffy's Library” at 18., 24m0., gree of Lane, of Northamptonshire (Metcalfe's
HBRALDIC (861 S. iii. 227).-I find in the pedi. and Simpkin, London, 1846. J. F. M.
Visitations) that Robert Lane, of Walgrave, married COL. CHARTERS (8th S. ii. 428 ; iii. 34, 117, Elizabeth Chancy. The Chancy arms are Or, three 192).— In the account of Charters given in Knapp chevrons engrailed gules. LEO CULLETON. and Baldwin's 'New Newgate Calendar' (London, St. Thomas's Day Custom (8th S. iii. 29, 94, v.d.) it is stated that his wife was the daughter 158, 336).—Mr. C. H. Poole's book on 'The Cas. of Sir Alexander Swinton, of Scotland." There
toms, Superstitions, and Legends of the County of is a circumstantial account of his crimes, and par- Stafford," was printed and published by Rowney ticularly of the one for which he was condemned, & Co., 7, Whetstone Park, Lincoln's Inn Fields, in the article referred to ; where also reference is London, W.C.
J. BAGNALL. made to “a fine mezzotinto print of him," "repre- Water Orton. senting bim standing at the bar of the Old Bailey, with his thumbs tied” (see 7 S: xi. 444, &c.)
, spondent s. M. O. will find an interesting account
SILVER SWAN (8th S. iii. 387). —Your correunder wbich was an inscription begioning,
in Planché's Pursuivant of Arms' of the swan as Blood !-must a colonel, with a lord's estate, Be thus obnoxious to a scoundrel's fate?
& Lancastrian badge; but I cannot discover any Brought to the bar, and sentenc'd from the bench,
reference to the order of the Silver Swan on my Only for ravishing a country wench?
shelf of heraldic works, which now includes
C. C. B. Norton-Elvin's last production, a comprehensive MARTIN LISTER, M.D., F.R.S. (8th S. iii. 286,
book, 'The Orders of Chivalry. 337, 391). — Besides Michael and Jane, Dr. Martin had sundry badges, but the swan is not amongst
As regards Richard II., this luxurious monarcb Lister had two daughters. Munk's Roll of them; perhaps the best known of the group is the Physicians' has the following respecting them = White Hart.
“His book on conchology, Historia sive Synopsis Methodica Concbyliorum,' published in 1685, formed a
In the cbantry chapel of Henry V. at Westnew era in the science, and contributed chiefly to give minster the swan is scalptured on the cornice, celebrity to its author. It contains very accurate figures combined with the beacon and antelope, thus
representing the three badges of this sovereign but Moll Flagon is not one that could well be united, and I am not aware of any other English performed by an actress. I have a water-colour king who made use of the first-named for this pur-drawing of Liston in this part by De Wilde, in pose.
J. BAGNALL. which he is represented in a partly military cosWater Orton,
tume-presumably a sutler-smoking vigorously Edward, Prince of Wales, son of Henry VI., from a short pipe. In proof that such an arrangedistributed little silver swans as his badge to all ment is not uncommon, I may mention that Mr. who came to see him during the progress which he Keeley played Mrs. Caudle, and, if I mistake not, made with his mother through the counties of Mrs. Gamp. The late James Rogers also appeared
in female parts.
CHARLES WYLIE. Warwick, Stafford, and Chesbire in 1459, and at the battle of Blore Heath the Lancastrian leaders Moll Flagon is a low camp-follower in Gen. Barwore the silver swans on their breasts.
goyno's comic opera “The Lord of the Manor,' CONSTANCE RUSSELL. produced at Drury Lane December, 1780. The Swallowfield Park, Reading.
character was originally played by Suett, and when " As PROUD AS A LOUSE » (gth S. iii. 388).
the piece was successfully revived at Covent We have two variations of this coarse and valgar Haymarket, was very effective in Liston's hands.
Garden, and subsequently at Drury Lane and the saying, viz., “ Pert as a louse” and as “ Bug as a The original picture in oils by De Wilde—ever, I lop.” It would be difficult, I should say, to go think, engraved-representing Liston, Jones, and beyond the latter. “Bug" here means pert, over. Hamerton as Moll Flagon, young Contrast, and bearing, fear-inspiring, and is a common word. Corporal Trim, happens to be in my possession. " Lops” are the same us in the following children's Liston, in black petticoat, in the leather pocket of rhyme :-
which lurks a black bottle, blue check apron and What are boys made of ? Lops and lice,
stockings, old scarlet regimental coat and straw Rats and mice.
bonnet, with clay pipe in hand, is a comical figure. That's what boys are made of.
Genest gays Moll Flagon was borrowed from What are girls made of ?
Steelo's Kate Matchlock in 'The Funeral.' Sugar and Spice,
Another highly amusing personation of Liston's And all that's nice.
was his Buy-a-broom Girl, a parody on Miss That's what girls are made of.
Love's performance. The Lord of the Manor' is R. R.
to be found in Cumberland's “ British Theatre." Boston, Lincolnshire.
ROBERT WALTERS. Capt. Rush (8th S. iii. 348). — The Royal
Ware Priory. Charlotte sailed from Portsmouth on her first BRIDGE AND CULVERT (86b S. iii. 248, 376). — voyage to China August 11, 1796, having Henry I do not think any engineer would agree with your Rush for fourth mate ; on her second voyage correspondents who state that a culvert with a flat Rush was third mate ; on her third voyage he was top is a tunnel, and one without an invert a bridge. second mate ; on her fourth and fifth voyages A culvert is a culvert, whether it is arched or has Rush was first mate ; and on her sixth voyage, a flat top, and whether, owing to a bad or good sailing from Portsmouth April 5, 1809, Henry foundation, it requires an invert or not. There are Rush was her captain.
culverts without an invert, and bridges over The name of the vessel and her captain will be watercourses with an invert.
L. L. K. found in Hardy's register of ships employed in the service of the honourable the United East India
WEDDING WREATHS (8th S. iii, 229, 332).-I Company from the year 1760 to 1812.
am much obliged to Mr. COLEMAN and MR. ANGUS C. H. J. G. for so kindly answering my question, and also to
ALICE for the quotation she so kindly sent. I In a list of ships of the Royal Navy in 1794 the should like to know further when the orange Royal Charlotte occurs, being described as of ten blossom was first used in England, and what led gune, but the captain's name is not given. In to the adoption of this particular flower. Also, what 1822 the same vessel was described as a yacht is the modern Jewish custom ; does the bride wear under the command of Sir J. Brenton.
a wreath? What are the principal flowers worn W. B. THOMAS. by modern nations ?
Permit: me seriously to protest (although not John Liston (86b S. iii. 143, 216, 252, 374). — anxious to be called a Protestant) against the Moll Flagon is one of the characters in God. assumption contained in Mr. Angos's bracket, Burgoyne's comic opera of “The Lord of the Manor,' tbat" u8 [Catholics] ” gives a definition of his own first played at Drury Lane December 27, 1780, Church, to the exclusion of the Greek or of the when the part was played by Suett. Liston was Anglican. EDWARD H, MARSHALL, M.A. certainly not accustomed to play fomale characters, Hastings.
CHARLES GEORGE Lewis (Rtd S. iii. 325).—The table, useful to the collector, of contemporaneous death and burial-place being the subject of a com- Sovereigns in England and France. The whole is got up munication to N. & Q.,' the following paragraph papers made in Nuremberg and with a facsimile
in the publishers' best style, with ond papers reproducing from the Athenaeum of June 26, 1880, is an appro- binding of St. Cuthbert's Gospel, now in the library at priate accompaniment thereto
Stonyhurst. “We may record the death of Mr. Charles George English Folk-Rhymes. By G. F. Northall. (Kegan Lewis, the well-known engraver, on the 16th inst., in the
Paul & Co.) seventy-third year of his age. He was a son of Mr. F.C. MR. NORTHALL has brought together a very large and Lewis, and his pupil in art, a brother of the late J. F. Lewis, interesting collection of folk-rbymes, which he has R.A. Many of his better known works are reproductions arranged in a fashion equally intelligible and convenient. of Landseer's pictures; of these the list is considerable, He has further enriched the whole with explanatory and includes the names of . Toho ! 'published in 1830, notes, drawn principally from works of recognized "The Cat's Paw,' 1846. 'Islay, Macaw, and Love Birds, authority, a list of which is given in his prefatory Breeze,'«Shoeing,'•
The Otter Hunt,' A Cover Hack.' matter. A list absolutely exhaustive has not yet He engraved Mr. F. Tayler's 'Higbland Larder.' appeared, and such, if it ever sees the light, can only, EVERARD HOME COLEMAN. perhaps, be done through the agency of a society. The
present is the largest we can recall. The opening 71, Brecknock Road,
division deals with place-names arranged under counties. AUTHORS OF QUOTATIONS WANTED (8th S. iii. There is naturally in these a good deal of repetition, 349).
especially in regard to certain subjects,- atmospheric Woman's faith and woman's trust, &c.
phenomena to wit. Thus, in Cornwall, -
Liskeard town will soon be flooded.
And Rosberrye a cappe,
Then all the folks on Cleveland's clay
Ken there will be a clappe.
The sufficiently obvious rhyme between people and
steeple, and the number of parish steeples, furnish much Straight must a third interpose,
opportunity for local wit, which is not seldom ill-natured, Volunteer needlessly help;
In the case of the village of Ugley, in Essex, it was per. In strikes a fourth, a fifth thrusts in his nose,
haps inevitable that we should hear of
Ugly church, ugly steeple,
Ugly parson, ugly people.
Dirty Cowarne, wooden steeple,
Crack'd bell, wicked people;
or why, in Lancashire, we read of
Proud Ashton, poor people,
Ten bells, and an old crackt steeple.
Boston ! Boston ! is in many cases lower now than fifty years ago, that of
What hast thou to boast on? the binding of a Grolier or a Diane de Poitiers volume
High steeple, proud people,
And shoals that souls are lost on.
Familiar enough are these tbings to our readers, since Among recent productions on the subject few are likely not a few of this class have passed through these pages, to be of more utility than tho volume of Mr. Prideaux, to which, perhaps, they owe their escape
from oblivion. issued in attractive guise by Messrs. Lawrenco & Bullen. Folk-rhymes follow on bistory, book mottoes, superstiThe basis of the work is found in the author's introductions, customs, games, weather, what not, much of it tion to the catalogue of the marvellously interesting familiar, but all contributing agreeable reading. Thanks exhibition of bookbindings held a couple of years ago at to the authorities which Mr. Nortball supplies, each say. the Burlington Fine Arts Club. To the matter then ing and explanation can be verified. Between five and obtained and subsequently onlarged much matter of six hundred handsome pages are crammed with matter importance has been added, including a chapter on early of undying
interest to the folk-lorist.
binder's art the volume is excellent, Book-Plates. By W. J. Hardy, F.S.A. (Kegan Paul the survey afforded being comprehensive and luminous.
& Co.) About half is occupied with an historical sketch of To the highly interesting series of “Books about bookbinding from its beginning to the present contury: Books," which we have already more than once comA bibliograpby of works relating to binding, in which mended to our readers, has been added
an account of naturally •N.' & Q.' conspicuously figures, bring the • Book-Plates ' by a writer of authority, whose attention whole to a close. Separate chapters are on" Embroidered bas long been fixed upon this
now popular study. Mr. Book-covere,'
"The Use of Metal in Bound Books," and Hardy's father, tho late Sir William Hardy, was a col. a Book-Edge Decoration.". An account of "Early Docu- lector of book.plates before the pursuit was common. ments relating to the Art” is also given, and there is a A taste for a study equally dear to the antiquary, the