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almost inaccessible locality on the marshes, once so com letter, to have even affected a preparatory school pletely lost his reckoning of time that he donned
his for young
gentlemen in the Bayswater Road, kept Sunday clothes, and went to church
on Monday morn- by a strict maiden lady named Miss Buddingbirch; the tradition that its aged natives were wont to put their and the small boys to have learnt the habit of hands out of their bedroom windows to feel if it was day. gambling. Before its establishment they were light. The cleverness' of Catfield is imagined by some accustomed to take their whippings from the birch to arise from its eastward position to Stalbam (wise of their governess in silence, men came from the east), and from the old saying that " but now, since the introduction of vicious racers near proceed to Catfield to know the truth of it. The the school, not one of the children will receive even what rawness' of Hempstead may possibly be attributed to she calls the most moderate physical remonstrance its position on one of the bleakest portions of our eastern without considerable kicking.” coast, and not from any want of polish on the part of
John PICKFORD, M.A. its inhabitants. Many other parishes in our county Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge. have distinguishing pames. It would be interesting, and possibly amusing, could some account be given of them." Monk FAMILY.—I should be much obliged if
One is reminded of Shakspere's little excursion any correspondent of your valuable paper could through “Piping Pebworth,* &c., on the occasion afford information respecting the ancestry of John when he fell asleep under a tree, a prey to Bacchus, Monk, a cornet on half-pay of the 19th Light one summer's day. A long list of these descrip- Dragoons (disbanded 1783–5). He wrote a work tive appellations might be made, many of which upon Farming in co. Leicester' in 1794 for the would be very amusing. Can any reader of the New Board of Agriculture, and also com
N. & Q.' say how downright Dunstable” piled a 'Dictionary of Agriculture, in five volumes. became an equivalent for being drunk ?
He was sent to Devon by the Board of Agriculture,
JAMES HOOPER where he married a Miss Prestwood Cove, and Norwich.
lived at Bearscombe and at Torquay. The date
of his birth was January 22, 1762. Mr. John Queries.
Monk had two brothers, viz., James and William, We must request correspondents desiring information and seven sisters, Mary, Katherine, Elizabeth, on family matters of only private interest to affix their Sarah, Hannah, Lydia, and Amelia. names and addresses to their queries, in order that the
R. A. COLBECK. answers may be addressed to them direct.
38, Albert Street, Kennington Park. MINIATURES BY GEORGE ENGLEHEART.-Can
ENGRAVING.--I lately bought an engraving of any one inform me where I may meet with any of Miss Nancy Walpole, and underneath were written these ivories for the purpose of enumerating them
the following lines : in a catalogue that I am publishing of this artist's
Miss Nancy Walpole. work, prefaced by a few remarks on those por
She became Mrs. Atkyns Ketteringham. traits that I have seen ? Any information con
My Nancy leaves the rural plain
A camp's distress to prove, cerning his painting would be very interesting to
All other ills she can sustain the collectors, and especially to
But living from her love.
W. H. Bunbury, delin, and published 1780. 9, Old Square, Lincoln's Inn, W.C.
Can any one give me further particulars of this PAINTING OF 'ELAINE' BY WALLIS.-Can any print? I should be very grateful to know more of your readers tell me what has become of Henry about this lady.
D. N. Wallis's painting 'Elaine'? It was painted for Mr. Flint, and sold in his collection at his death,
COPPLESTONE FAMILY.—I shall be glad to be but I do not know the dates.
put on the track of this family. Can any one Geo. G. T. TREHERNE.
inform me whence Kingsley obtained the fol
lowing couplet, which appears in his . Westward THE HIPPODROME. - Where was this building Ho!, situated in the London suburbs; when was it
Crocker, Cruwys and Copplestone erected ; and for what purposes ? The Hippodrome When the Conqueror camo were all at home. at Constantinople was, according to Gibbon, one Is there any connexion between the village of of the stateliest structures in the world. In the Copplestone, in Devonshire, and this family? Brownrigg Papers,' by Douglas Jerrold, pub. Was Barton of Warleck (or Warlake), in Devonlished originally in the New Monthly Magazine shire, the family seat ?
S. W. R. about 1839, the London structure is amusingly alluded to in a letter purporting to be written by GAELIC. - I find in the New Testament the “Miss Dorothy Nibs, of Mousehole, to Gustavus form bhios (=bithidh), “shall be "; also chunnacas, Nibs, Gent-at-Arms, Pimlico,” her brother. The fhuaras, for “ was seen," " was found," instead of corrupting influence of it seems, according to the chunnacadh, fhuaradh. In such grammars as I
have this inflection in s is not noticed. Is it a instead of “peppercorn"? In what collection can provincialism?
EZTAKIT. the above proverb be found ? I have looked for
it, but I have not found it, in Bohn's volumes, LELY FAMILY.-I have acquired a very prettily
JAMES D. BUTLER. executed pedigree, with armorial bearings, of this Madison, Wis., U.S. family, by that industrious herald, Robert Cooke, Clarencieux. It was probably a Lincolnshire SAAS.—The place-Dame Saas is well known to family, as its members married into the following Swiss tourists. What is the meaning? It varies to houses, most of which belong to that county : Saaser as a prefix. I also find Saaz in Bohemia ; Angeville of Thothelthorpe, Fulnetby, Bretofts, Sasa in Hungary ; Sas in the Netherlands, apLeake, Littlebury of Fellingham, Mussenden of parently a sluice or flood-gate ; then the Sas and Heling, Langholme of Cornsholme, Skepwith, Sassen, so common in Germany—these approximate Gelbey of Staynton, Gedney of Hudderley, Friske very closely to Saxe and Saxon. Can all this con
A. BALL. noy, Ormesby, Somercote, &c. It can have no glomeration be disintegrated ? connexion with the family of the great Court painter, HORACE.—Can any reader of 'N. & Q.' inform as Sir Peter's name was originally Van der Vaes, me who is the
author of the following translation and he did not come from Holland till the century of Horace, Od. iii. 461-64?— after this pedigree was drawn up, which must have been before 1532, the date of Cooke's death. Can
Who with the pure dew laveth of Castaly
His flowing locks, who boldeth of Lycia any one give me information as to the family?
The oak forests, and the wood that bore him, J. B. P.
Delos and Patara's own Apollo. ARMS OF YEOMEN.— I have seen it stated that,
I fancy I remember being once told that it was according to Guillim’s ‘ Heraldry,'yeomen, as such, by A. H. Clough; but I have failed to find it could bear coat armour sans crest. This surprises among his poems.
W. D. OLIVER. me, for I always supposed that when a yeoman
Comberford, Teignmouth. received a grant of arms he became a gentleman ; Pratt.—Can any one give me the name of and hence no man could receive arms and continue to any particulars concerning the father of Sir John be a yeoman. At what place in the several Pratt, Knt., of Careswell Priory, Devon, ancestor editions of Gaillim's work does this assertion of the present Marquis of Camden?. Every occur?
authority I have consulted speaks of Sir John, WILLIAM ELAND published the seventh edition made of Sir John's father that I can find. I wish
grandson of Richard Pratt, but no mention is of 'A Tutor to Astrology' in 1694. reader of 'N. & Q.' say when the first edition to know his name, and the names of his brothers appeared! Who was William Eland ?_Is any
(if any), also whom they married and their issue.
R. M, PRATT. thing known about him? JOHN ELAND. 12, New Court, Lincoln's Inn.
254, Cowbridge Road, Cardiff,
RECOLLECTIONS OF RUGBY.'_“Recollections of McBARNET AND MACKENZIE.—Can any of your Rugby, by an old Rugbæan” (London, 1848). readers help me to trace the connexion between Halkett and Laing put down this book to R. N. the family of McBarnet and Mackenzie of Suddy? Hutton, on the authority of the Gentleman's MagaFamily tradition states that the original name was zine. The book is avowedly by an old Rugbeian Mackenzie, but was changed to McBarnet after (as it is generally spelt now); but no such name the '45. Mackenzie of Suddy is supposed to be occurs in the school register ; nor apparently in the branch of which this family is an offshoot. A Dict. Nat. Biog. Who was the author ? The member of the family was born at Lochaber in book was printed at Cirencester. O. SAYLE. 1780, and a brother of the latter fell at Tolosa in the Peninsular War. The McBarnet family until
"THE CAILDREN'S GARLAND,' selected by Covenrecently used the burning rock crest with " Luceo try Patmore ; ed. 1892.-Can any one explain to non uro” motto.
me why the warrior-minstrel in the title-page of
this volume wears his sword on the right side, ATKINSON.-I should be greatly obliged if any with the hilt well up under the right arm? As I one would kindly inform me of any family of the share the general feminine ignorance of all matters name of Atkinson, having a member named relating to weapons and the art of self-defence, I Juliana among them. Date about 1750 to 1770. may be in error, but it certainly seems to me that
E. TATOM. the gentleman in question would find himself in a Thomas Place, Norwood Road, S.E.
“considerably tight place" were the blade needed “THE LAST PEPPERCORN BREAKS THE CAMEL'S
for immediate action.
SPINDLE. BACK."- Are the above words the orthodox form LATIN TRANSLATION WANTED.—Would you do of a popular proverb; or should “straw" be used me the favour of asking, in your next number of
'N. & Q.,' whether any of your readers can direct signified his pleasure that the House should adjourn for me where to find a Latin translation by, if I re- twenty-one days. To this the House assented, with very member rightly, the Rev. Mr. Drake, of Mrs. Members thought that so long or any adjournment was Hemans's lines to a bird escaped from its cage ? unnecessary-that it would be found very inconvenient I remember seeing it, many years ago, in Black- in many other respects, and particularly distressing to -woods Magazine, in, I think, the 'Noctes Am. private business. With that part of the subject, how. brosianæ '; but on searching for it now in the ever, I do not mean to interfere. On the face of the latter (separate) publication, I have not succeeded itself, and ought not to have passed sub silentio ; though
proposition did obviously present in finding it. The ode by Mrs. Hemans begins : it might bave been reserved for discussion at a more conReturn, return, my bird
venient day, of wbich notice should have been given. I have dressed thy cage with flowers,
The question I allude to related solely and exclusively to 'Tis lovely as a violet bank
Parliamentary privilege, which is in fact the right, the In the heart of forest bowers, &c.
liberty, and the security of the whole Commons of this And the translation commences :
realm; and the wit of man, or of the Chancellor of the
Exchequer, may be defied to attach a party motive, Jam redi, dilecta avis, ad puellam,
fairly and honestly, to the following discussion of it. A Flore quæ multo decoravit aulam
preliminary disclaimer of this sort I know looks like a Dulce frondosæ ut violis, olentem.
defence without a charge. But so it is : the times we Abdita silvæ.
have fallen upon, and the society we live with, make it J. E. COWAN. necessary for the surviving few who have seen other
days and lived in better company, or who remember the LATREILLE.-Can any one refer me to informa- commonwealth, not to urge any opinion in behalf of tion bearing on the domestic life and literary truth, or in defence of right, without submitting to make career of the celebrated French entomologist an apology for it. Of the English constitution, nothing Latreille, other than that contained in the im- but what is good ought to be said; but some of its forms
bave survived, and who knows that these forms may not perial Dictionary of Universal Biography'?
help to remind posterity of the value of that substance K. H. B. which they were instituted to preserve ?
The Message shall be given at length. For the present
I confine myself to the first part of it, in which the Beplies.
Prince Regent signifies his pleasure that the Parliament
should be adjourned. In other instances, the_King THE LETTERS OF JUNIUS.
signifies his will and pleasure. But it is still the King's
pleasure, which, under a softer phrase, is a command, (8th S. ii. 481.)
and equally coercive on those to whom it is addressed. It is satisfactory to see that the undying interest If not, and if nothing be meant but a request or recomattaching to “Junius” is now securing renewed mendation, the words used are nugatory or something
worse, because they say wbat they do not mean; and recognition in “N. & Q.”. A few months ago the if that be admitted and defended, there is an end of the -subject of Sir Philip Francis attracted considerable question, in the sense in which I wish to have it conattention in the Athenceum, and, so far as I recol. sidered. All I should then have to say to the compositor lect, bis claims to the authorship were far from would be, translate your Message into English, and tell weakened by the discussion. The following con
us what you mean. Until we are better informed by
the Chancellor of the Exchequer, or by some wiser tribution, though merely of indirect bearing on
person, I shall assume it as a proposition which cannot the question, may perhaps be added.
be disputed, that the King's pleasure, once signified to The Hon. Henry Gray Bennett, brother of Lord his subjects, is to be taken for å lawful command, which Tankerville, was a distinguished Whig senator of course it would be unlawful to disobey. The supposi
not yet in our contemwhen George III, was king, and I find among his tion of an unlawful command
plation : or if it were, we should begin with the Minister, papers which came into my hands the subjoined who advised, or who attempted to carry it into execution, letter, addressed anonymously to the Morning and make him, in the first instance, as he ought to be, Chronicle, but carefully endorsed in Bennett's the principal object of animadversion. The King, or his handwriting, “Sir Philip Francis.” It shows representative, is the only person to whom the general that Francis to the last continued true to the maxim of law, qui facit per alium facit per se, cannot be instincts and occupation of “ Junius.” This, of thing (except perhaps in changing the Ministry), bý
legally applied. In his royal character he does every course, could not be known but for Bennett's agents and nothing by himself. casual identification and testimony, though made In the present case, the Prince Regent has no more without any design of connecting him with Junius. concern than yourself, though his name be formally used The allusions of Francis to his former colleague suming then that the Minister of Finance intended, by
as that of his Majesty is in criminal prosecutions. PreWarren Hastings are interesting. I send the the Message he delivered, to convey a lawful command, original of his well-studied historic letter, yellow I submit the following question to the consideration of with age :
such Members of the House of Commons as may think
March, 1814. that they deserve some attention. On the 1st of this month, a Message from the Crown 1. Could the execution of a lawful command, on the was delivered to the House of Commons by the Chan- part of the Crown, be subject to a debate, whether it cellor of the Exchequer, not in writing, as the custom is should be obeyed or not? in other cases, but orally, by which the Prince Regent In the year 1621, James I, declared to Parliament,
in answer to a petition of the House of Commons, " That In this way the power of adjourning the Houses of it seemed to be a derogation of his prerogative, who had Parliament was assumed and exercised by the Crown the only power to call, adjourn, and determine Parlia before the Revolution. In Queen Anne's time another mente. This learned Monarch understood as much of course was taken to answer the same purpose, viz. to the English constitution as he had heard of it in Scot. defer the sitting of Parliament from time to time—and land, where, as he asserted on another occasion, there a proceeding resorted to, perhaps the most extraordinary was no such thing as common law, except the Jus in all our Parliamentary History. From the 8th of Regis ! * Yet, even in these miserable days, and under July 1712 to the 19th April 1713, both inclusive, the the growing despotism of the Stuarts, these extravagant Parliament was prorogued twelve times. Why the use pretensions were denied and resisted by many learned or object of these prorogations might not have been as and resolute persons in Parliament. Sir Edward Coke, effectually obtained, and with much greater ease and among others, said, " that it was a maxim in law that convenience, by short adjournments, does not appear, every Court must adjourn itself; and if there be a com- but it may be readily conjectured. Queen Anne, who mission to adjourn the Parliament, then the adjournment was a Stuart, might be unwilling to surrender the power is not good; but the commission should be to declare his of adjournment, as it had been asserted by the four preMajesty's pleasure that we should adjourn."
ceding Kings of her own family, and yet might have This last admission, now untenable, shews that the very sufficient reasons for not venturing to resume and King's pleasure signified was at all times considered as a exercise so doubtful and invidious a claim of their precommand. At a much later period, in the year 1677, tended prerogative, considering the state of her affairs at bis Majesty's pleasure for an adjournment was signified that period, and that the negociation for the peace of by the Speaker, Mr. Edward Seymour, and, on Mr. Utrecht was still in suspence. But the most singular Powle's standing up to speak, the Speaker interrupted precedent of all is the adjournment by command, which him, and said, “I must hear no man speak, now the occurred in the second of George I. (September 21 King's pleasure of adjourning the House is signified.” 1715) as delivered by the Chancellor to both Houses in And so he did repeatedly. The result of the debates on the following words this point was, that when the House of Commons met “It is his Majesty's royal will and pleasure that both again, they called the Speaker severely to account for his Houses should forth with severally adjourn themselves to conduct. From a direct censure he escaped, on a divi- Thursday the sixth of October next." The two Houses sion for adjournment, of 131 against 121, but the House in fact gained nothing by adjourning themselves, as they came to the following Resolutions:
did immediately. The King's command left them no " That Mr. Speaker shall not, at any time, adjourn option; or it was no lawful command. When was the the House, without a question first put, if it be insisted form now observed first introduced, and for what upon.
reasons? That this Resolution be entered in the Journal, as a A due consideration of the terms and apparent prinstanding order of this House." I
ciples of the late Message from the Crown, made it The rule of Parliament, contended for and acted on by necessary to enter into a statement of the preceding the Speaker, was, that “after the King's command of facts and observations. The following is a copy of it adjournment, there could be no debate, or question put, from the Journals :and that he had nothing to do, but to declare the House
"HOUSE OF COMMONS, MARCH 1, 1814. adjourned, as he had dono”;-and certainly he bad precedents enough to support that pretension. But House, That, it being the pleasure of his Royal Highness
"Mr. Chancellor of the Exchequer acquainted the precedents in Parliament relate chiefly to claims of the Prince Regent, in the name and on the behalf of his privilege, or to forms of proceeding, and in that sense Majesty, that the Parliament
should be adjourned until ought to be generally observed, and never departed from Monday the 21st day of this instant March, his Royal or set aside but on mature debate, and for reasons Highness desires that this House will adjourn itself until derived from some change of circumstances, which Monday the 21st day of this instant March.” induce a necessity. For many a thing apparently harm- This Message, on the face of it, is a jumble of false or less when it is done, may be the source of infinite
mischief incompatible propositions, ending, as all efforts to reconat a later period. But in no case, and on no pretence, cile contradictions must do, in pure falsehood or simple are precedents to be set up against principles. All
nonsense. Every man who knows the Chancellor of the lawyers will tell you, that a precedent that passes sub Exchequer will see at once how unfit he was to be the silentio, is of no validity, and Judge Vaughan says, in his chosen bearer of such a burden. In the first place, it is Reporte, " that in cases which depend on fundamental positively false that Parliament, as such, and taken colprinciples, millions of precedents are to no purpose."'ll lectively, can be adjourned, In true Parliamentary
In questions of right and wrong, mere facts prove sense and construction the term indicates, and the connothing, except what indeed requires no proof, that stant form of proceeding proves, that adjournment many crimes have been committed, and that many relates to the two Houses of Parliament, and must be wrongs have been done; or, as an old acquaintance of effected by two distinct acts or resolutions of those mine delivered the same doctrine in better terms, in bodies, whether simultaneous or separate in point of time. Bengal, about forty years ago, " Political Societies have One House may adjourn itself, while the other may conexisted too long to leave any abuse without an example.” tinue to sit, as it often happens, when the state of public In matter of judicature in the courts below, the rule business requires it. Undoubtedly the King may proand the practice must be different. When there is no rogue, if he pleases, and bis Ministers may threaten the positive law to govern, the Judge must be guided by two Houses, that if they will
not consent to adjourn, the former decision, always taken from moderate times, and Parliament shall be prorogued ; and the said Houses may duly considered; were it otherwise the Judge would be submit to be so threatened and so bullied. But even this arbitrary.
unparliamentary menace is, or amounts to, an admission
that the Crown, by its prerogative, can neither adjourn * King's Speech, 1607.
the Parliament nor either of the two component parts of t' Parliamentary History,' vol. i. p. 1282.
Parliament. The Message then says, "That it is the Journal of the House of Commons,' vol. ix. p. 560. pleasure of the
Prince Regent that the Parliament should Parliamentary Debates in 1677,' vol, i, p. 203. be adjourned,” in the form in which the King's commands are invariably expressed. But if it be a command, ever, is certain is that up to his father's death in it must either be obeyed or declared to be unlawful.
To November, 1770, Gibbon was rather pressed for say that it is a lawful command, and that nobody is bound to obey it
, is a proposition which it befits nono to money than otherwise, and afterwards a diminished vindicate but the Minister himself. First, however, he inheritance, if it kept him from indigence, equally ought to explain his meaning. If the Prince's pleasure, far removed him
from opulence. declared in the first part of the Messago, means nothing Then, again, Gibbon's views on Christianity are but a request, then the desire expressed in the latter part well known, and if Junius's words may be trusted, of it, is only a nauseous repetition, vulgarly called tautor as I see no reason to doubt, there was a wide logy. There are the bundies. Let the Minister tako his difference between the two on the subject of choice. While on this subject I may mention that in religion. In his letter of August 26, 1771, Junius
writes : 1856 I had a correspondence with Mr. Wodder
“As a man I am satisfied that he spoon, of Norwich (who I fear is now
dead). He [Junius) is a Christian upon the most sincere conwrites :
viction,” and he goes on to speak of the Christian "On this subject my mind has been long made up. life to defend.” Could Gibbon have spoken thus ?
religion," which it seems to be the purpose of his For some years I read manuscripts offered to one of our large London publishers, and decided on their worthi- Again, can we imagine Junius laying down his ness for publication. While so engaged I had placed in envenomed and biassed pen in 1772 and immemy hands a pile of letters by Sir Philip Francis (many diately reappearing in the garb of one of the most hundrede), and no sane person could doubt that the impartial historians (except on one disputed point) writer of the letters of Junius, of which facsimiles are that the world has ever seen? Or, again, can we published, was Sir Philip Francis. The letters I examined were not of sufficient public interest to bring imagine the fiery censor reappearing as the before the world, and were therefore returned to the lukewarm politician in the House of Commons, owner, and have never been published."
blessed with so little foresight as to be held W. J. FITZPATRICK. up to ridicule by his biographer, and taking his The claims of the new candidate for Junius
rank among the ordinary place-hunters of the honours will not, I venture to think, bear the test time? These would seem to be impossibilities, of close examination. It is true that, at first and I venture, therefore, to repeat that Mr. blush, the trenchant prose of the historian might EDGCUMBES suggestion will not bear the test of
close examination. HOLCOMBE INGLEBY. be considered capable of conversion into the style of the famous writer of the philippics. But if one desires to know of what Gibbon is capable in that
I was much impressed when I read it with an direction, let him turn to the pamphlets where he article in a number of the Dublin University figures either as the attacking critic, as in his Magazine in the year 1852 in favour of the Earl criticism on the sixth book of Virgil in answer to Chatham wrote the letters, and Francis knew it,
of Chatham, and no one else, being Junius, Warburton, or where he is defending himself from a number of assailants, as in bis Defence of the or in some cases was the amanuensis. The writer Decline and Fall. I have gone through these argued strongly that a blind would have been with a certain amount of care, and though both part of the scheme of so consummate a master of of them may be described as masterly and con
concealment. Were circumstances of date and vincing, I am unable to call examples which, in place absolutely against the possibility of Chatham my opinion, are fit to compare with the biting having been the author ?—if
not, I prefer to believe it.
R. S. invective, the stinging sarcasm, or the strong antitheses of the unknown author.
The authorship of Junius is a subject thatBut, apart from the question of style, there are "spreads out” illimitably. Sir David Brewster, several pieces of evidence which would seem to as a scientist, could not know all its details, but preclude all idea of identifying Gibbon with took up the subject as a partisan, owing to his Junius. If one fact more than another may be family connexion with the McLeans. The inadmitted with some certainty from the letters, it dividual now in question supported the Governis that Junius was a man in easy circumstances, ment when Junius was in opposition ; see Misfor not only did he refuse to participate in the cellaneous Letter, No. xci., where Vindex, a profits arising from their publication, but time pseudonym of Junius, exposes Mr. Laughlin after time he bids Woodfall feel no anxiety on McLean on the “Falkland” question, 1771, which account of any expense he may incur by bis pro- was one of the bitterest subjects Junius ever took secution, for that it will be reimbursed him. Now, op. Sir David Brewster could not have known what was Gibbon's position at that time? Here this fact. McLean went to India in 1772, accumu-are his words : “My purse was always open [i. e., lated a large fortune, and died in 1778. Boswell, to his friend Deyverdan)
, but it was often empty; in bis Life of Johnson,' describes Capt. Lauchlanand I bitterly felt the want of riches and power,” McLean, date October 4, 1773, as living in Col. &c. Is it possible that Junius could ever have
A. HALL. complained of want of "power"? What, how- 13, Paternoster Row,