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in which its temper and disposition might be adverse to their views. Mr. Curwen was followed, on the same side of the question, by lord H. Petty, lord Howick, sir John Newport, Mr. Bastard, and sir John Anstruther. They were replied to, on the other side, by the chancellor of the exchequer, and Mr. Rose. Mr. Shaw Le Fevre moved, that the debate be'adjourned till the next day. This produced a short discussion, in which it was ́contended, on the one hand, that there were no grounds, and on the other, that there were ample grounds, for such a postponement. The house divided: For the amendment, Against it, 161 The resolution was then put and carried. The following resolutions were then agreed to, on the motion of the chancellor of the exchequer. That no private bills be presented after Monday, the 13th of July. That no reports or private bills be received, after Monday the 27th of July.

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The next business of importance in the house of commons was, the appointment of a new committee of finance. On Tuesday, June the 30th, the chancellor of the exchequer, pursuant to his notice, in consequence of the general sense of the house, and in obedience to the recommendation in the commissioners speech, for the renewal of those inquiries that had been interrupted by the late dissolution of parliament, rose to move for the renewal of the finance committee. The only question, he said, on which any difference could arise, was, as to the persons whom, in the appointment of the committee, the house might think proper to select. On

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this subject, he had reason to think that a difference of opinion would prevail, as from some expressions that had fallen from gentlemen on the other side of the house, it appeared that they would be disappointed if all the members of the former committee, who were members of the house, should not be appointed.-As he did not mean to enlarge the number beyond 25, the number of which the former committee had consisted, because that was the greatest number that could conveniently assemble for business, he meant to exclude some of the former members, in order to introduce others, for the more impartial constitution of the com mittee. The five that had been re. moved by the event of the election, were not enough for that purpose, and the house would in its discretion decide upon that point. In the appointment of the committee also, he meant to adopt the suggestion of the noble lord, by giving the preference to the appointment of it openly to a ballot. It was his opinion that the appointment by ballot, was in general to be preferred. Nothing could be more invidious than the discussing, whether any particular individual was a proper person to be appointed on the com mittee; and also the fitness of persons to act together upon such a committee, could be better consult. ed by individuals making out their lists for a ballot. He had acceded, however, to the suggestions of the noble lord, because he would thereby get rid of any suspicion that any thing was intended, which they were afraid to avow openly. Be fore he made any motion, he should read over a list of the committee he meant to propose, in order that the


house might see whether he had not retained the most efficient members of the late committee. He had already stated the necessity of making some alteration in the constitution of the committee, because there were many acts of the late administration which would be subjects of enquiry. He could state many facts which would induce the house not to trust with implicit confidence to those, who were disposed only to praise the late administration, and who, by their overbearing authority in the committee, might keep back the enquiries into their particular acts. The late ministers had expressed themselves, in the first appointment of the committee, very much averse to the grant of places in reversion; there was, however, one instance to which attention had been called, of their having, a short time before they went out of office, appointed to offices in reversion, of a most extraordinary nature: he alluded to the appointment of a collector and surveyor of customs, in the port of Buenos Ayres, a place not then in the possession of his majesty. These were reversionary grants, to take place upon an uncertain contingency, and made by those gentlemen who appeared to be so nice on this subject. He had on a former occasion stated, without giving any opinion upon the propriety of appointing such officers, the nomination of three-hundred surveyors of taxes. The nomina. tion was founded on a representation from the commissioners of taxes, made in March 1803, but the appointment could not take place, till the business was submitted to parliament. When the dissolution took place in October, without any sanction of parliament having been obVOL. XLIX.

tained for these appointments, the persons were designated to the offices, in a way the noble lord had said on a former night: members of parliament waited on the minister, they were received civilly, and the promises made. But the parliament met in December, and sat some months; the measure for sanctioning the appointment was not brought forward, and the honoura. ble gentlemen opposite, when they lost the power of performance, were compelled to revert to the condoling letters to which he had before alluded. This circumstance would induce the house not to place implicit or peculiar confidence in those gentlemcn who viewed every thing in the same light with the late administration. Another appoint. ment, made by the late administration, was, that of gazette-writer, created by patent for Scotland, with a salary of £.300 per This office had been before divided between the editors of three newspapers: he wished the honourable gentleman to hear his statement, and to bear in mind, that the business of the office was performed by these three persons, without any expence to the public, though they made a profit of £.200 a year by the publications in their newspapers. These persons had been turned out of their employment, and an appointment by patent, given to the present possessor; and he should ask, whether any gent eman believed that this had been done with any other view than to give a place to that person? He should not dwell in detail upon all the acts of the late administration, but he confessed himself at a loss to understand what they could mean by the ap. pointment of a professor of medical R jurisprudence.


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that he was ignorant of the duty of that professor, and could not comprehend what was meant by the science he professed. There had also been three new sheriffs appointed in Scotland, with salaries of between .250 and £.300 a year, on a division of counties, where the duties were before executed, as in one shrievalty. These were some of the many acts of the late administration, which would be likely to come under the consideration of the committce. Another appointment, which was equally censurable, was the grant of a pension during pleasure, of £.400 a year, to a civil and criminal judge in Scotland: this grant had, no doubt, not been carried into effect, but it was owing to the doubts entertained by the person who was to carry it into effect in Scotland, as to its legality. He should not go through the other exceptionable appointments made by these gentle. men, as he had stated enough to shew, that those who thought exactly with them, were not to be exclusively confided in. He should next proceed to read the names of those whom he proposed to be ap. pointed as the committee, intreating, at the same time, that the house would excuse him from being a member of it, according to the usage by which any member who proposes a committee, became a member of it.The following were the gentlemen he proposed of the former committee:

Mr. Bankes,
Mr. Biddulph,
Mr. Shaw,

Lord Henry Petty,

Lord Archibald Hamilton,


Mr. Grattan,

Mr. Addington,

Mr. Cavendish Bradshaw,
Mr. H. Thornton,
Mr. Ryder,
Mr. Calvert,

Mr. H. Coombe, and
Mr. Baring.

Not of the former committee :
Mr. Hawkins Browne,

Mr. Jodderel,
Mr. Wharton,
Mr. Sumner,
Mr. Wigram,
Mr. L. Forster,
Mr. Pole Carew,
Mr. Mills,
Mr. Rutherford,
Mr. Ellison,

Mr. Brogden, and

Mr. Thomas Baring. He concluded by moving, that a committee be appointed to examine the regulation made for controuling the expenditure with respect to offices, how far these had been ef. fectual, and what was further ne. cessary to secure the object in view.

Lord Henry Petty rose and said, that under many disadvantages, and without any notice till now, that any charges were to be brought against him, he would, as far as his recollection enabled kim, refute the charges: one of these, was the ap pointment of a comptroller and collector for Buenos Ayres. It was a gross want of candour in Mr. P., since he chose to bring forward the affair at this time, not to have stated that the burthen would commence only in consequence of the possession of the place, and that the appointment was without salary. As to the surveyors of taxes, the fact, he believed, was that the appoint. ments had not, and were actually to take place until the matter


matter should be submitted to par. liament.

With regard to the appointment of the gazette-writer in Scotland, it was one that ought to be excepted out of the general rule. It was a case that peculiarly depended on its own circumstances, and when these were examined, it must appear obvions to every candid and liberal mind, that no blame could attach to that instance. This appointment had been conferred on a person eminent for talents, literature, and science. He had, through a long course of life, devoted himself to the public service, and to the promotion of the interests of learning and knowledge. Mr. D Stewart was one of the most distinguished cha. racters of the age, and had performed his important duties in the most zealous and honourable man. ner, yet his salary did. not amount to much more than £100 a year. It was thought right, considering the high importance of his services in the department of science and literature, to grant him this apointment, which he might enjoy without any encroachment on his other avo. cations. It was not on such men the public money was in danger of being wasted. The appointment was certainly, as the right honourable gentleman had stated, taken out of the hands of the editors of the newspapers, where, no doubt, he would have continued it in prefer. ence: that was the sort of literature which they cultivated; that was their science! The gentleman who re. ceived it from the late ministers,

had no claim whatever upon them, excent that of uncommon merit in a department of the last importance. to the public and the human race. When the present government could find such another man, he certainly would not object to their being equally libera!. The right honourable gentleman had taiked of a pension to a civil and criminal judge in Scotland. With the circumstances of that case he was not acquainted, and therefore could say nothing respecting them, at present. He had replied to such of the charges as he was more immediately acquainted with. No government could per. haps, in the present state of the expenditure, guard against every possible abuse; and therefore he was a friend to all committees of inquiry; whether appointed like the commissioners of military enquiry, or composed of members of this house: hoth might be eminently useful, and recourse ought to be had to them from time to time, under every government; for in such a large expenditure, all governments must be liable to abuses.

In answer to lord Petty's sarcasm, respecting the only species of literature patronized by the new ministry, Mr. Canning asked if there was not a newspaper that had received marks of favour during the late administration, and of which the proprietor had been appointed by them to one of the public boards? *-With regard to the appointment of the new sheriffs, the propriety and expediency of that measure was clearly, and in a most

The proprietor of the Morning Chronicle. But still the countenance and favour shewn to the advancement of science, was most conspicuously illustrated by the circumstance, that they held an eminent philosopher in the same degree of consideration as a newsman.

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satisfactory manner, evinced by Mr. Adam, who was not in the house on this day, but who brought on a conversation on the subject, two days thereafter, July 2. He also urged very strong arguments in defence of the patent, granting a pension of £400 a year to lord Cullen, with the reversion of £200 a year to Mrs. Cullen. Having given a statement of lord Cullen's circumstances, he contended that it would be cruel to deprive the crown of the power of giving a pension for life to a judge, who, by some accidents, arising from no fault of his, should be reduced to a situation in which his salary could not enable him to support his dignity and do justice to his creditors. Lord Cullen was a man of the most profound learning, particularly in his own profession, an agreeable compa. nion, and most perfect gentleman. He was the son of Dr. Cullen, one of the greatest ornaments of the cele. brated medical school at Edinburgh. His father had been too much engaged in scientific pursuits to be very gareful about his circumstances. Lord Cullen, as the eldest son, was in some degree saddled with, and anxious to pay his father's debts; and two thirds of his salary as judge was devoted to that purpose. The honourable and learned gentleman then entered into particular state. ments of the case, and said, that it never was intended to grant a judge a pension during pleasure, nor could it be done by law. It was expected to be for life, and intended to be so given. The reversion suf. ficiently proved this, for a reversion of a pension during pleasure was an absurdity. If the warrant stated that it was during pleasure, it was a mistake, which would of

course have been rectified, when it should be returned to the treasury from the barons of the exchequer in Scotland. The gentlemen on the other side might be sufficiently aware, that mistakes might be com mitted in the hurry of official bu siness. This was sufficient to prove the rectitude both of the judge and the late ministers. The intention of granting a pension to lord Cullen, did not originate with the late ministers, but with their immediate predecessors. Mr. Adam concluded with moving an address to his majesty, for copies of the warrants for appointing the new sheriffs, and of the warrant for the pension to lord Cullen. Though the appointment of the sheriff's was condemned by se. veral of the Scotch members, Mr. Adam's motion was acceded to without opposition.-It appeared, in the discussion about the committee of finance, that Mr. Can. ning, though he objected to the pension intended for lord Cullen, and the office of writer of the Edinburgh Gazette, &c. &c. had received from Mr. Pitt, the grant of a pension, not indeed for himself, but, by his own confession, "to a near and dear relation, who depended on him." Objections were made to the exclusion of any of the members of the last from the new committee of finance, by Dr. Laurence, sir Samuel Romilly, Mr. Bankes, Mr. H. Addington, lord Cochrane, C. Shipley, and lord Howick. But a committee was appointed, consisting of the memhers proposed by the chancellor of the exchequer. They were ordered to proceed on their inquiries immediately, and to report from time to time, as they deemed meet. The minutes taken before the former committee,

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