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in which they wished the business to go to the Committee, They wished the right only to be considered, being certain that in that respect they must have a very decided fuperiority.
Mr. Wm. Dundas oprosed the motion from the inconve. niency of keeping the Houle empty by such measures, and defeating the legal representation of the country. He would appeal to both parties if the schedule in question was not a paper which they could both wish had never exifted; but as he already perceived the inclinations of the House, he was unwilling to trespass on their time.
The question was then put and carried, that the order thould be discharged.
And on the motion of Mr. Sheridan, the said petition was ordered to be taken into consideration on the 3d of May next, the day appointed for the confideration of Mr. T. Sheridan's petition.
Mr. Burroughs then moyed, according to a standing or. der of the House, that the petition of Mr. Huskisson bę heard first, as they were now both fixed for the same day.
The Speaker begged leave to remind the hon. Gentle- man that the standing order of the House, to which he had alluded, applied only to the conduct of Committees in regard to the priority in question.
Mr. Cocks, moved that the order for the confideration of the right be now read, in order that it might be postponed to the same day fixed for the petitions. His realon was,
that the parties who would be 'in consequence of this bufio ·ness brought up to London, might not be detained longer than was absolutely necessary.
The Secretary at War oblerved, that, if the question of aight was once ascertained, the other two questions would follow of course, and would therefore save the trouble of any further attendance of witnefles,
Mr. Sheridan did not think that any witnesses that might be brought up would refuse their further attendance.
Mr. Cocks then stated that, on account of the thinness of the House, he was willing to withdraw his motion, and gave notice that he would bring it forward again the next day.
Mr. Sheridan preferred another petition respecting the Liskeard election, which was ordered to be taken into confideration with the others forin.erly presented on the 3d of May next. Adjourned
'HOUSE OF LORD S.
FRIDAY, APRIL 6. The Conimittee upon the Irish priests' and deacons' bil!. which stood for this day, was, on the luggestion of the Bithop of St. Afaph, postponed till Thursday. - On the motion of Lord Auckland, certain accounts respecting the capital, &c. of the Scotch bank were ordered 10 be laid before the House. These were moved for, his Lord, thip observed, from no inclination on his part 10 oppose the measure, but from the accounts moved for being neceflary, as he understood, for the due illustration of the subject.
The bankers' bill, and the Irish militia families provision bill, were brought up from the Commons, and read a filtrime.
On the motion of the Bishop of St. Alaph, all the Lords prelent during this feffion were ordered to be Members of ihe Commitice on the St. Pancras poor bill.' i ; VOLUNTEER REGULATIONS BILL. 1
The order of the day being read, the House resolved into a Committee on this bill, Lord Wallingham in the chair.
The discullion of the fourth clausc was resumed. By ibis it is enacted, that every person corolled, or to be eiitolled, or ferving as an effective member in any corps of yeomanty or volunteers in Great Britain, and who shall be duly returned or certified as such, thall be exempted from being Jiable to serve perfonally, or to provide a fubftitute in the militia of Great Britain, or in any additional force railcd, or to be raised, for the defence of the realm, or the more vi. gorous profecution of the war, by any act paised in this feffion, &c.
Eail Spencer having referred to this part of the clause, moved to amend the fame by the addition of the words, " or any subsequent seffion of Parliament." • This propofition gave rise to a difcuffion in which 'Lords Spencer, Grenville, the Lord Chancellor, Lords Ellenbo. rough, Auckland, Carnarvon, and the Duke of Montrole, look a part.
It was contended on the part of those peers who fupported the amendment, as Lords Grenville, Spencer, Carnarvon, &c. that the principle of exempiion having been recognized in, and provided for by the bill, it thoulă confiftently with parliamentary faith and honour, on 'which the yolunteer relied on tendering his services, be extended
in the way proposed by the amendinent: the case was fimilar to that of the public creditor, who relied on a continued and unaltered parliamentary fanction, as a security for the interest of his inoney.; and it was preferable that the exemptions, such as contended for, should stand on the statutes and rolls of Parliament, as the best security to the volunteer, and not to suffer these regulations to be dependent on the feclings or future opinions of individuals.
'It was contended by Lord Hawkesbury, the Lord Chancelor, and the other Ministerial Peers, that under all the circumstances of the case, it was preferable to let the clause remain as it stood : the clause had a two-fold operation, and applied to corps, &c. to be raised hereafter as well as to thole now in existence. The amendment of the noble Earl would not therefore meet the obje&t proposed ; the impolicy of tying up the hands of the Legislature in certain cases was contended for: the honour and good faith of Parliament were, however, to be kept inviolate, and these were confiderations which must have their due effect on the Legislature, when considering of acts hereafter on the subject, should such proceedings be necessary.
At length the amendment was pushed to a division, when there appeared
Contents 14—Non-contents 34.—Majority against the addition 20.
Lord Grenville then proposed, that the words excepting from the exemptions under the act such corps as in their offers of service had waved that privilege, should be omitted.
The Duke of Montrose, Lords Grenville, Carnarvon, King, Bolton, &c. fupported the amendment, and contended that there was the grosseft injustice and absurdity in allowing exemptions, as the act dici, to new corps to be accepted of, and yet denying them to those who had honourably stepped forward without any motive but patriotism. Exemptions were to be allowed to such additional corps as his Majesty might accept of. He might refuse their offer of service, hai, if he did accept of them, he must grant them the exemptions.
'The Lord Chancellor, Lords Hawkesbury and Hobart, argued in favour of the original clause. They maintained that by the introduction of a word or two, excepting not only the corps who had already waved their exemptions, but those who might offer under that condition, one half of the objection would be done away. The other half they
thouglit thought might easily be got the better of in consequence of that understanding which must be suppored to prevail between his Majesty and the corps already enrolled under the condition of waving their exemptions. They might, if they thought proper, fignify their disinclination to continue their fervices under their former offers; and his Majesty would naturally see the propriety of re-embodying them without any such restriction.
On this amendment the House divided,
For the original clause, Contents 34-Non-contents 14Majority against the amendment 20.
Lord Grenville then moved an amendment on the next clause, the spirit of which was, that such volunteers as should hereafter be accepted, in addition to the present establishment, should not be entitled to any of the exemptions. In fupporting the amendment, his Lordship professed himself hollile to the extension of exemptions, and at the same time against carrying the volunteer system beyond its present establishment.
Lord Hobart could not help thinking, that such amendo ments could have no other tendency than to lose the time of the House, as should they even be carried, they would effect no material alteration in the system. He regretted the loss of the support of the noble Lord, which must certainly be an acquisition to any Administration ; but the only answer that could be made to every thing that might be faid in opposition to the bill was, the efficient force actually existing, that had been raised by the measures adopted by his Majesty's Government. In this respect, he would trust for approbation to the candour of the majority of the House.
Lord King was of opinion that, whatever trust his Ma. jesty's Ministers might repose in the candour of the majority of the House, they did not poffefs the confidence of the country. Nothing, he thought, would give greater pleasure to the country at large than their dismission. The most brilliant vi&tory could not be more welcome at the present crifis than such news ; while nothing, he was cers tain, could be more severely felt by the enemies of the country, who received additional strength in proportion to their weakness.
Lord llawkesbury replied with considerable warmth. It was the duty of the House, if they thought Ministers illqualified for their situation, to present an address to his Mas jefty for their dismission; but fo long as they were thought
worthy worthy to continue in office, it was the duty of the House to lupport them, and to allow them that degree of confia dence which was abfolutely neceffary to carry into effect measures for the public fasety. He adverted pretty largely to the former Administration. They in general, had, lupa ported their measures by pleading that the times were news and the exigencies of the country imperiously urgent : but the present times were certainly not less new, nor the present exigencies of the country less urgent. The measures relating to the volunteer fyftem, had been brought forward originally from the spur of the moment, and, like other hurried measures, could not be expected to be all at once perfect. But all things considered, the Governinent.cera tainly deserved credit for what they had done, and was entided to the approbation of the country for having done lo much. * The Duke of Montrose complained, that to far as he was officially concerned in regard io the volunteers, he had been puzzled and perplexed with the different measures that Government had adopted, and had found it repeatedly necerfarv, even to a trou'resome degree, to apply by letter to the Sccretary at War for advice and information, while he was no less distressed by writing Ictters in a limilar munner for the information of others. The noble Duke was for the amendnient, and thougiit many alterations necessary to arriend the system.
Lord Harrowby supported the amendment, and dwelt par, ticularly on the incongruities of the syften.
Lord Carnaru:n contended for the amendment, and made feveral reflections on the incapacity of Ministers, who did not possess, he thought, the confidence of the country. ,
The Lord Chancellor thought no noble Lord, whatever he might state as his own opinion, had a right to announce in that House the supposed sentiments of the country. The noble Lord who had juft sat down, or any other noble Lord, night withdraw his confidence from his Majesty's Governfiient; but it was certainly not parliamentary in any noble Lord to constitute himself the organ of thc public, and to declare as a faćt, what he might only conceive to be the opinion of the country. Allegations of this nature were unconftitutional.. The noble Lord deprecated the language held that night, in regard to the incapacity of his Majesty's Ministers, and which was too common, both in that House, and out of doors. For his own.part he was willing to leave his place, should the House point out any set of men whô