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recommend, he would persilt in supporting the original clause.
The Duke of Montrose lamented that either the preceding or the present Government should have, either dire&tly or by connivance, sanctioned the practice of allowing men with arms in their lands to alsume a deliberative capacity. He thought it the duty of Parliament to crush, by their formal and open declaration, the pollibility of it for the future. As the claule intended to be proposed by the noble Baron would most fully effect that, it should have his support, and he would therefore, although he did not wholly.disapprove of the prefent clause, vote for the motion for expunging it.
Lord Hobart did not mean, after whai had been urged in reply to the noble Baion who inade the original motion, to enier at large upon the subject, but he rose for the purpose of repelling some observations thrown out by the noble Baron, tending, in his judgment, to produce all the mischiefs shey purposed to avert. He alluded to that part of his argument wherein he called upon Parliament to do their duy, regardless of any consequences ihat might follow, and not to have it imagined that they were to be intimidated, by the numbors or extent of the volunteer force, from 'crulhing their committees, and abolishing the pra&tice of deliberating.. He could not fit filent, and here it afferted, that a British Legislature could be ever deterred from the perfoçmance of iis duty, or the maintenance of its authoriiy, by any body or bodies of mén. He thought 100 well of the principles of loyalty and patriotism by which the volunteers were actuated, to suppose that they would ever be guilty of ihe crime of ralhly serving themselves up against Parliament; but if they thould, lie trusted that Parliament would always be found conpetent to the task of putting them down. When the volunteers of Ireland, during the period that a noble Earl near him (Lord Westmoreland) was Lurd Lieutenant there, were engaged in some proceedings contrary to the existing laws, the Parliament of that country exerted the powers with which the conItitution had invested it, and the volunteers were supprested. Should the same circumstances require it, as long as the same cause produced the same effect, a fimilar result would attend a finilar atiemp: by any description of force in this part of the empire. The original clause would, by its operation, accomplih, by gentler, and as effectual means, all that the noble Baron promised to himself from the adoption of his substitute for it, and therefore it should have his lopport,
The The question was then put on the motion for expunging! the claufe:
Non-contents, 25-Contents, 10-Majority, 15. • A new clause was proposed by Lord Grenville, and adopted.
Some other , amendments were made, and the bill was passed, and ordered to be sent back to the Commons as amended.
Lord Hobart moved that, as the printed copies were on the table, the Irish militia augmentation bill should be read a second time the next day, and that the Lords should be funmoned.
HOUSE OF COMMONS.
WEDNESDAY, APRIL 18. Lord Marsham, as chairman of ihe Committee on the Middlesex election, reported that Benjamin Weal having been duly summoned to attend the said Committee, had neg. lected to obey the said summons. On the motion of his Lordship, and conformably to the precedents in such cases, it was ordered that the Speaker do issue his warrant for taking the said Benjamin Weal into ihe custody of the Serjeant at Arms.
Mr. Penruddock Williams presented a petition from the debtors confined in the county gaol of Wilts. Ordered to lie on the table.
The Secretary at War stated, that the accounts ordered on the motion of an hon. Adiniral (Berkeley), relative to the barrack deparıment, were more extensive than the hon. Admiral, on consideration, thought necessary. He therefore, with the consent of the hon. Admiral, moved, that the said order be discharged, and that an account be presented of all barracks hired by Government, and given up, together with the time of giving them up respectively. Ordered. This account was afterwards presented by Colonel Gordon from the barrack office, and ordered to lie on the table.
On the motion of Mr. Corry, the Houfe went into a Come milee on the Irish revenue regulation acts.
A resolution for continuing and amendiog lhe acts 42 and 43 Geo. III. for the better collection of the revenue in Ise land, was agreed to, and the report ordered to be received the next day,
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Several petitions relative to corn, grain, and malt, were referred to the Committee on the corn laws.
On the motion of Mr. Elliot it was ordered, that the proper officer should lay before the House an account of the para iicular sums charged under the heads of pensions, allowances, gratifications, and incidents, on the different departments of the revenue, barrack board, and board of works, in Ireland, in the different years, from 1st January 1801, to ist January 1804, fpecifying each year.
ARMY OF RESERVE SUSPENSION BILL. Mr. Secretary Yorke moved the order of the day for the Second reading of the bill for suspending the army of reserve act.
Mr. Long rose merely to state, that a right hon. Friend of his (Mr. Pitt), who had given notice of his intention to enicr into the discussion of this bill in its present stage, was prevented by a night indisposition from coming down to the House that day. He could assure the House, ihat his right hon. Friend was extremely anxious to deliver his sentiments at large upon the subject. The House would recollect, that .. his right hon. Friend had given a notice on this subject before the recess, and that he had only put it off at the desire of his Majelty's Ministers, and to wait to see whether this measure would answer the object he had in view. He had authority to stale on the present occasion, that in the next stage of this bill his right hon. Friend would attend to offer his sentiments at large, and to take the sense of the House upon the measure. It would be convenient to gentlemen, if the right hon. Secretary of State would inention the day on which it was intended that the bill should be further proceeded upon. It would not be convenient, he believed, that it should be proceeded upon the next day, as for the day after (Friday) an hon. Gentleman (Mr. Fox) whom he did not then see in his place, had given notice of a motion which was likely to produce much discuffion; but he understood that hon. Gentleman had no objection to accommodate the House hy deferring his motion for a few days, if it should be the with of the House and his Majesty's Ministers to pro-' ceed with the present bill on Friday. He wilhed some of the hon. Genileman's friends who were present, to state what they understood as to his concurrence.
Mr. Secretary Yorke was sorry for the cause of the right hon. Gentleman's (Mr. Pili's) absence on the present occa.
fion. Ile withed the discullion to take place on as early a day as possible. The next day the bill could not be proceeded upon, because the clauses which is was intended to propore in the Committee were not yet framed. He had no objection to the arrangement for Friday, if the hon. Gentleman who had given notice of a motion for that day (Mr. Fox) concurred in it. But he conceived it to be most inalerial, that the consideration of the subject to which that hon. Gentleman's notice referred thould not be put off to any distant day.
Mr. Adair stated Mr. Fox's consent to defer his intended motion from Friday till Monday.
The Secretary at War expreliud a disposition to favour the arrangement, by putting off his intended motion on the army estimates from Monday till Wednesday. "
The Chancellor of the Exchequer found it necessary to put off from Wednesday next, the consideration of the ways and means of the year. Information was expected from Dublin, as to the part of the loan contracted for in Ireland; and it was necessary that what had been done there should be known, before any thing could be done here as to the sum reinaining to be contracted for. This information was expected the rext day; and if it arrived, he should be ready on Wednesday 10 see the Gentlemen who were disposed to contract for the sum that would he wanted here. Three or four days would then be necessary for confideration and arrangement. He would therefore defer his notice froin Wednesday till Monday se’nnight. His right hon. Friend (the Secretary at War) had al. ready signified his willingness to accommodate the arrangement of the discussions which it was wished to go into, by putting off his motion on the army estimates till Wednesday. On that day it was meant to move the army extraordinaries, Also, he thought it necessary to state at the same time, that it was desirable that the motion of which notice had been given for Friday (Mr. Fox's), Mould be brought forward as early as possible.
Sir Robert Buxton rose, not to go into any argument on the merits of the bill then, though he declared himself decidedly an enemy to it; but he wished to ask a question with regard to one of its principles, namely, the mode by'which the money was to be affefied, for defraying the quotas claimable under the bill.. If the affeilinents were to be on counties at large, he had no objection to that part of the principle, bot if on parilhes merely, he'bad ftrong objections.
the ourffailidens, to be raise and Means intention to a former
Mr Secretary Yorke faid, if the hon. Baronet had looked into t bill, he would have found the affellinent was intended on pahe es, in the nature of poor's rates. The bill was read a second time, and committed for Friday.
EXCHEQUER BILLS. The House resolved itself into a Committee of Ways and Means, Mr. Alexander in the chair.
The Chancellor of the Exchequer stated that, on a former day, he had apprized the House of his intention to move, in the Cominittee of Ways and Means this day, a vote for cleven millions, to be raised by Exchequer bills, to discharge the outstanding Exchequer bills not provided for, and to replace those that would by such means be withdrawn from the inarket. Since that notice, a conference had been held with persons on the part of the Bank; it was proposed by the Bank to defer the payment of a million and a half till next year,' towards the renewal of the Bank charter, which liad been agreed to, so that it would be necessary only to raise nine millions, and a half. This he would propose to do by two bills : the one for raising eight millions, and the other for a million and a half. He felt i: neceffary, at the same time, to state, that there was no intention of funding any part of the outstanding Exchequer bills, and to say also, that there were no Exchequer bills now outstanding of an older date than of the 5th of April 1802. He concluded by moving two resolutions, agreeably to his statement.
Mr. Johnstone thought the sum proposed was much greater -than was necessary; as it appeared from the papers on the table, that of the eighteen millions of Exchequer bills that had been issued, only 1,400,000l. had been paid, which left, a balance still extant of 16,600,oool. which, with some other fums he stated, made up the sum 24,600,000l. raised last year. Of the extant sum it was proposed to pay off eleven millions ; and now it was proposed to issue eight millions more, and leave a million and a half in the Bank. There were seven millions belides, he would admit, in che Bank, under different acts, that would not come into the market ; but still, he contended, there would be fixteen millions afloat, which he considered a great deal too much. Besides, it was much too early in the fefsion to resort to this mode of raising money, and contrary to the precedent of last year, when the right hon, Gentleman did not propose his Éxchequer-bill loan till the 13th of July, at which time it was only proposed to iffue five milJions. It was necessary for the House to be acquainted, in the first instance, with the budget for the year, in order to judge Vol. II. 1803-4.