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I am inclined to think that John Pepys substantive "tent given by the 'N.E.D. alias Peakes, married a Pepys and that he is "the silken web of a tent-caterpillar,' afterwards changed his surname to his and on the next page a tent-caterpillar is wife's maiden name of Pepys. defined as “the gregarious larva of a North American bombycid moth, Clisiocampa, which spins a tent-like web.

Who "my cozen Nan Pepys, of Worcester," referred to in the 'Diary,' under dates, Feb. 15, 1659/60, July 10, 1660, and June 12 and 15, 1662, and Nov. 3, 1667, was, I cannot say, but probably, as Dr. Wheatley remarked, she was a daughter of the above named persons.

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15. Penshurst still shines for us, and its Christmas revels, 'where logs not burn, but men. "Emerson's quotation, only "where" should be "when," is the conclusion of Ben Jonson's 'Ode to Sir William Sidney on his birth-day,' the last piece but one in 'The Forest. EDWARD BENSLY.

The Nan Pepys referred to in the 'Diary,' married first Mr. Hall and secondly, Mr. Fisher, and though it would seem strange "" "EMINERE (12 S. vii. 427).—This has that the Diarist should continue to call no claim to be counted as an English word. her "Pepys," I shall show in my book that It is merely the Latin infinitive constructed in another instance, he continued to call one with an English auxiliary verb, and should of his relations by the name of her first be italicised. At 9 S. xii. 163, col. 2, an husband long after his death and her re-example of this usage was quoted from marriage.

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The most comprehensive pedigree extant is that by the Hon. W. C. Pepys in his Genealogy of the Pepys Family (published in 1887) in seven sections. I hope to include a corrected and annotated genealogy of the diarist's ancestors and contemporaries in my work. W. H. WHITEAR, F.R.Hist.S.

PAMPHLET ON KENSINGTON SQUARE (12 S. vii. 509).-The pamphlet your correspondent inquires about is entitled :

"Notes on Kensington Square and its notable inhabitants, A.D. 1881. London: Wakeham & Son, Printers, Church Street, Kensington, W., 1881, for private circulation only."

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It contains 19 pp. and the reprint has 32 pp., with the same title except that the date is A.D. 1881-1883," and the imprint is 1883. The prefatory note to the reprint is signed "J. J. M." The author was Dr. John Jones Merriman, long an inhabitant of the Square, who died in 1896. The dates given by Loftie are, it will be seen, incorrect. Both of the above mentioned editions are in the writer's possession.

W. H. WHITEAR, F.R.Hist. S. EMERSON'S ENGLISH TRAITS (12 S. v. 234; vi. 228). The heroine of No. 18 at the earlier reference, who was as mild as she was game, and as game as she was mild, is Esther Summerson. This praise was drawn from Inspector Bucket by her conduct during their journey in pursuit of Lady Dedlock. See the fifty-ninth chapter in the one volume edition of 'Bleak House.'

9. (At the second reference.) "A tent of caterpillars." One of the meanings of the

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· Burton's Anatomy of Melancholy," III. i. ii. iii. “they shall male audire in all succeeding ages. This was illustrated by Bentley's "But of some incidental things I do réxew." In III. i. iii. of Burton's treatise we have "The Decii did se vovere." Other examples could be found if it were worth looking for them. EDWARD BENSLY.

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EARLY RAILWAY TRAVELLING (12 S. vii. 461, 511; viii. 13).—I have read with much interest the letters of your correspondents. In Mr. W. M. Acworth's delightful book The Railways of England' it is pointed out that though the early English engineers hesitated to increase the size of the carriages they had no scruples as to the length of the trains, and he quotes contemporary references to a luggage train of 80 wagons," the length of which was nearly half a mile; a passenger train that carried 2,115 passengers and another which consisted of 110 vehicles filled with passengers and propelled by five engines four in front and one behind, the length of which extended to nearly onethird of a mile. This was in the early 'forties. Coupé carriages, which must, I think, have originated in the diligences of France were not uncommon about twenty-five years ago. I recollect travelling frequently in them on the main line of the Great Southern and Western Railway of Ireland, and also on the London and North Western Railway. I can recall such a journey on the last menioned line as recently as the year 1898. The carriage was a second-class one, but had probably begun life in the higher class.

Another survival from coaching-days met with in early railway-practice was a long stop-twenty minutes or more-at some

important junction where dinner was served to hungry through-travellers. The dinner at York "in the pleasant refreshment-room hung round with engravings," is mentioned in Mr. Verdant Green Married and Done for,' and on the Irish line mentioned dinner used to be served about 5 p.m. at Limerick Junction, where two rather slow trains leaving Dublin and Cork, at 1 p.m. and 2.45 p.m. met and passed each other. Those of your readers who know this station, will recall its rather whimsical design-which compels trains approaching from four different directions to run past their platforms, before they can reach their proper stopping-places, by backing into them.

M. G. L.

The railway policemen at Shrewsbury Station (L. & N.W. and G.W.R. Joint) wore the tall hat a very few years ago, and may do so even now, but I am not sure.

HERBERT SOUTHAM.

LINES ON NEBUCHADNEZZAR (12 S. vii. 351, 437, 439.)-The authoritative note of the Provost of Queen's College, Oxford, at the second reference, makes it probable that the poem about Nebuchadnezzar which was the subject of T. S. O.'s inquiry was a bundle of fragments and not one connected poem. The story there mentioned that a similarity of names caused some unsuccessful sets of verses, intended for the Newdigate competition of 1852 on 'Belshazzar's Feast,' to fall into the hands of an undergraduate instead of a judge of the prize, may be dismissed with a smile, and all that can now be done is to record such short fragments as are remembered, out of a considerable number thrown off by some clever writer or writers in the summer term of 1852.

As T. S. O. (how thin the disguise !) particularly asks for definite references, perhaps I may be allowed to add the only printed references which I know to the 66 poem. One is an extract from A Son of Belial : Autobiographical Sketches, by Nitram Tradley (London, 1882, 8vo: the author was Edmund Martin Geldart, resident at Balliol, 1863-8):—

P. 187. "I was never favoured with a sight of one of these productions [the English Poem on a sacred subject, a triennial prize first competed for in 1851, and often not printed], but a couplet was quoted in my time as taken from a poem on Nebuchadnezzar, wherein of that monarch it is told, that what time he ate grass like an ox

He murmured as he chewed the unwonted food,

I think I have now nearly exhausted the field of theological pabulum on which the young Nebuchadnezzas of Bosphorus [Oxford] were put to graze in my day, nor do I know that I should be inclined to pass upon it a much more favourable verdict than that of the Assyrian potentate. Good it most cer-tainly was not, and, however wholesome in the abstract, it did not agree with me."

It will be observed that Mr. Geldart is mistaken about the quotation, being from a Poem on a Sacred Subject,' which the context shows to have been on the writer's mind; whereas the Newdigate,' a nontheological poem, was the real occasion of the Nebuchadnezzar fragments.

The second reference is in the Oxford Undergraduate's Journal for Nov. 20, 1867 p. 205, where the following passage occurs, as from a Rejected Poem for the Newdigate Prize:

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While at these words the wise men stood appalled
Some one suggested Daniel should be called.
Daniel was called, and just remarked in passing,
Oh! Mene, Mene, Tekel and Upharsin."

Perhaps this is all that we shall ever recover of the lines inquired for. FAMA.

BEAUCLERC (12 S. vii. 391, 437).—In September last The Times printed several letters about the early handwriting of the Kings of England. The correspondence was closed by a letter in the issue for Sept. 25, in which I quoted the following decisive statement by Mr. W. J. Hardy :

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DENNY, DE DEENE AND WINDSOR FAMILIES (10 S. xii. 424; 11 S. ii. 153, 274; vi. 418; 12 S. vii. 247, 358).-One feels great diffidence in venturing to dissent from DR. ROUND. But apart from any assumptions connected with the fesse dancettee coat or otherwise, there would seem to be the indisputable evidence of fact that the surnames Denny and Dene, &c., did run into one another in the days when orthography was in a very fluid state. The following examples, from different periods, will show what is meant.

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Robert 'Dany," also called "Dene " and "Dan" (Subsidy Lists, Chancery Pro

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"There were men of the name of Denny in the county eg........in 1499, and in forms of Deue and Deney it occurs in Norwich much earlier still."

During many years of research I have never come across any evidence that there was ever a family connected with Denny, Cambs, which took its surname from that place. Even if such evidence were forthcoming, it would not necessarily prove that every family named Denny derived its surname from that or any other place.

H. L. L. D.

ST. LEONARD'S "PRIORY," HANTS (12 S. vii. 90).-What authority is there for calling this a Priory? I know of no references to it as such, and from the existing remains it would appear to have been merely a large farm belonging to the monks of Beaulieu Abbey to which it belonged. O. G. S. CRAWFORD.

LONDON POSTMARKS (12 S. vii. 290, 355; viii. 18).—The late John G. Hendy's 'Postmarks of the British Isles 1840 to 1876 ' was issued as a serial supplement to 'Gibbons' Stamp Weekly' some 12 or more years ago, and was afterwards published in volume form by Stanley Gibbons, Ltd., 391 Strand, W.C.2, with 842 illustrations, price in paper 3s. and in cloth 4s. GEO. HARDWICK.

8 Hallswelle Road, N.W.11.

NOTES ON THE EARLY DE REDVERS (12 S. vii. 445; viii. 15).-Richard de Redvers was not son of Baldwin "de Brionne." I do not know who his father was. Baldwin the Sheriff, de Excestre, was father of three sons, the youngest of them, Richard fil. Baldwini, dying without issue on June 25, 1137. Nor did the family of de Redvers hold the barony of Okehampton, which Baldwin the Sheriff held in 1086, his son and heir, William, in 1090, the latter's brother and heir, Richard, in 1129. In 1166, Matilda d'Avranches, heir of Baldwin the Sheriff, and wife of Robert, the younger natural son of Henry I, was tenant of it. See V. C. H. Devon, I, 555 and seq. L. GRIFFITH.

REPRESENTATIVE COUNTY LIBRARIES PUBLIC AND PRIVATE (12 S. viii. 8).—A very valuable section of York Minster Library consists of Yorkshire books, MSS. prints, &c., collected and left to it, by Mr. Edward Kailstone, F.S.A. of Walton Hall near Walsfield. To this treasure, something HORSELEPERD (12 S. v. 320).-My query like a thousand kindred works have been as to the meaning of this word has now been added either by gift or purchase. There answered by the Earl of Kerry in a letter are some pleasant paragraphs about Mr. which appeared in The Wiltshire Gazette Kailstone in Chancellor Raine's preface to (Devizes) for Sept. 30, 1920. This letter, A Catalogue of the Printed Books in the the last of a number on the same subject Library of the Dean and Chapter of York.' most of which appeared in The Gazette during I should imagine that almost every the early part of 1920, is quoted and sum-county has a store such as that which Mr. marized in The Wiltshire Magazine, the RowE desiderates; but every town should organ of the Wiltshire Archæological Society, vol. xli. (December, 1920), pp. 212, 213. O. G. S. CRAWFORD, Hon. Sec., Congress of Archæological Societies.

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try to keep together anything that throws a light on its own history. The shire of broad acres has not done badly, as your correspondent shows and, inasmuch as he did not mention the Kailstone garnering, it

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Surely it is now a matter of general knowledge that every Public Library makes a special feature of collecting the literature

of its own district and also that those in

County and the larger towns possess (as in that under my care) very large local libraries. Apart from this, the information has already been printed in the Libraries, Museums, and Art Galleries Year-Book' for 1914 and the 'Literary Year-Book' for 1913, and if these are not accessible, a card to any Librarian always secures full information as to the extent of his own collection.

The question of recording private collections is another matter, and I doubt if it would be welcomed generally. My own experience suggests that most correspondents are not interested so much in local history and topography as in genealogy, and too frequently they ask for searches to be made for references to their forbears which private owners would hardly undertake, and in my opinion should not be expected of custodians of public collections. I have found that the suggestion of a fee to be contributed towards the funds of the library in return for such services ends the correspondence. PUBLIC LIBRARIAN.

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BATEMAN BROWN. (See under "The Hermit of Hertfordshire 12 S. vii. 466, 516).MR. PRESCOTT Row may be interested to have a few particluars I can give him of Bateman Brown, whose book he now possesses.

Bateman Brown, J.P., was born at the village of Houghton, Hunts, Apr. 9, 1823, the year of a great flood there. In 1896 he bought Bridge House, Huntingdon, and died there May 9, 1909, aged 86, and was buried at Houghton. His wife, Mrs. Susannah Brown died at Bridge House May 7, 1913, aged 88, and was also buried at Houghton. 'Reminiscences of Bateman Brown, J.P.,' was published at Peterborough, 1905.

Bateman Brown was the son of Potto and Mary Brown. Potto Brown was born at Houghton, July 16, 1797, and died Apr. 12, 1871. A biography was published by Mr. Albert Goodman called 'Potto Brown: the Village Philanthropist,' 1878. I can remember them all very well.

HERBERT E. NORRIS.

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of Islay,' p. 83, with plates xxiv. and xxv., and Romilly Aken's Early Christian Monuments of Scotland,' pt. iii., p. 392. In the National Scottish Museum of Antiquities, Edinburgh, there is a plaster cast of tho cross, presented by Mrs. Ramsey of Kildalton, standing 9 feet high.

Monreith.

HERBERT MAXWELL.

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"HUN " (12 S. vii. 330, 375, 438, 492).The Rowers,' by Mr. Rudyard Kipling, mentioned by MR. LEFFMANN at the last reference was published in The Times of Dec. 22, 1902 (see 12 S. iv. 25, s.v., Germans as "Huns "). The poem has been published in 'Rudyard Kipling's Verse,' 1919, vol. ii. p. 57, where it is dated 1902. "(When Germany proposed that England should help her in a naval demonstration to collect debts from Venezuela).”

ROBERT PIERPOINT.

THE BRITISH IN CORSICA (12 S. viii. 10).— A reference to Fortescue's 'History of the British Army' would probably give the information required. In the occupation of 1794 Sir David Dundas had the command, and the 18th Foot (Royal Irish) was at least one of the regiments engaged. In the affair of 1814 the Pembroke, and possibly 'L'Aigle' also took part; there was Brigade of Infantry engaged as well. The French hoisted the Bourbon flag on the approach of the English and a treaty was effected under which the French were placed under the protection of the English and the forts of Ajaccio, Calvi and Bonifacio were surrendered.

Should Mr. Lewis wish for a more detailed account of the 1814 affair, I shall be glad to let him have a copy of some private papers I have. F. M. M.

Rochester.

A FEW WARWICKSHIRE FOLK SAYINGS (12 S. vii. 507). Some of these sayings are not confined to Warwickshire. My mother, a Leicestershire woman (born

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of an idle shiftless person as "a poor come day, go day, God send Sunday creature.' The saying about apples not causing bellyache after St. Swithin has christened them I have often heard in South Notts, where, too, the snail rime, with slight variation I fancy, was familiar. We used, too, to stir the cream in the churn with a hot poker to make the butter come, but I do not remember any mention of witchcraft in connexion with this. I have known salt to be thrown into the fire "to keep the witch out of the churn" in Lincolnshire.

C. C. B.

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'POOR UNCLE NED' (12 S. vi. vii. 373, 438, 514).-Probably there are many variants of this song, and most of them arise from trusting to memory of words never seen in print. I, for example, did not remember, when I last wrote, to have had the song before me; but I now find it in The Scottish Students' Song Book,' compiled in 1897, one of the editors of which was 'J. Malcolm Bulloch, M.A., Aberdeen," now well known to readers of N. & Q.' In this, the first verse is thus given :There was an old nigger and his name was Uncle Ned,

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But he's dead long ago, long ago;
He had no wool on the top of his head

In the place where the wool ought to grow.
Den lay down de shubble an' de hoe,
Hang up de fiddle and de bow,

Dere's no more hard work for poor old Ned, He's gone where the good niggers go. But what is wanted to settle the words is a copy of them as they appeared in print in the earliest sixties, when they were first sung in this country, as all versions from memory so markedly differ.

ALFRED ROBBINS.

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" 1 once had an avuncular relative whose name was Edward, but he has long since departed for that bourne whence no member of the community coloured or otherwise, has ever been known to return. He had no capillary substance on thesummit of his pericranium, in that place where thecapillary substance is wont to vegetate.

Hang up the mechanical instruments, agricultural or otherwise; take down the musical instruments, stringed or otherwise. For there's no more manual labour for my avuncular relative Edward, inasmuch as he has departed for that bournewhence no member of the community, coloured or otherwise, has ever been known to return.

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In the beginning the permit to travel by train was conferred with more circumstance than at present, and, although I do not remember the receipt for a fare being called a voucher, the term does not seem out of character before the introduction of cardboard tickets. At least on the line between. Leicester and Swannington, metal tokens, numbered, and the number corresponded octagonal in shape, were used. Each was with that of the passenger, as entered in a way-bill which was kept by the guard of the

train.

ST. SWITHIN.

THOMAS FARMER BAILEY (12 S. vii. 410). -There are at least five varieties of book

My recollection of this song is that the plates with the name Farmer Baily thereon

first verse ran thus :

There once was a nigger and his name was Uncle

Ned,

But he's gone dead long ago;

He had no wool on the top of his head,

In the place where the wool ought to grow.

[Chorus.]

Hang up the shovel and the hoe-0-0-0,
Take down the fiddle and the bow;

For there's no more work for poor Uncle Ned,
For he's gone where the good niggers go.

(not Bailey). They are as follows:-
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1. Farmer Baily (crest).

2. Farmer Baily, Hall Place, Kent (armorial).

3. Thomas Farmer Baily, Hall Place, Tonbridge (crest).

4. T. Farmer Baily, Hall Place (armorial shield (Baily impaling Addison) in a beaded oval, in red).

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