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Mediterranean; still lower, one marked W., show- ancients, was an emblem of death. It is found on ing her winter immersement in the Mediterranean; sarcophagi, and, if I remember right, on the Cataand, lowest of all, a line placed considerably below combs at Rome; and a more poetic and affecting Plimsoll's, marked W.Ñ.A=Winter North At- emblem than our disgusting skeleton with an hourlantic. J. F. MANSERGH, glass.
J. CARRICK MOORE, Liverpool
I bave not the original German of this; and if I The upper edge of the horizontal line passing bad I could not read it. But so far as can be through a disc amidships is the load line of the judged from a translation, it would seem that the vessel at sea. The letters L.R., I believe, signify herald is a simple personification of “death as a that the mark was placed on the vessel by the friend," and the inverted torch the common symbol, Committee of Lloyd's Register, who, since the so often seen on old-fashioned tombs, of the expassing of the Merchant Shipping (Load Line) tinction of life. Act of 1890, have power to assign free-boards to There seems, however, to be a question of readBritish vessels. The explanation of the other ing_here. J. A. J. writes fate, and so I find it horizontal lines and letters is as follows: F.W.= in Routledge's edition, 1860. But Warne’s, 1882, Fresh Water line; I. S.= Indian Summer line; has faith. Will some German scholar tell us S.=immersion in Sea water; W.= Winter line; which it ought to be? Still, one may possibly be W.N.A=Winter line North Atlantic. Coasting a misprint, for I find no other differences. vessels are required to be marked with only the
C. F. S. WARREN, M.A. maximum load line in fresh water ; sea-going Longford, Coventry. vessels with such of the horizontal lines as are
HELIGOLAND BEANS (8th S. ii. 409).-Your corapplicable to their employment. L. L. K.
respondent uses the word fabaculture. Is it his [Other replies are acknowledged.]
own coinage; or can authority be given for its use ? MISERERE CARVINGS (8th S. i. 413, 481; ii. 9, formation, and ought to be written fabiculture ?
May I suggest that the word is faulty in its 113, 214, 335). - At Tilney. All Saints' Church, For compound words containing Latin nouns of near Lynn, in Marshland, behind a fine perpendicu: the first declension, cf. aliferous, baccivorous, lar screen whicb fills the chancel arch, are stalls lanifical, umbriferous, luniform, &c. and misereres in their original position, returned
F. C. BIRKBECK TERRY. at the chancel arch in front of the two bays extending east.
W. B. GERISH. “DAME” (8th S. ii. 487).—The question as to the I do not know if any one has mentioned St. identity of the Dame who prudently conserved Helen's, Bishopsgate, as a church where these are cast-off weeds" is settled by Wordsworth's note of
for the youthful nutter his “proud disguise of to be seen. There are some very quaint carvings 1800 on the cottage threshold.” This dwelling, of nursery rhymes, including the cat, the fiddle, he says, was the house at which I was boarded and the cow jumping over the moon, on the pews during the time I was at school”-i. e., at Hawksin the church at Fawsley, Northamptonshire. Louisa M. KNIGHTLEY.
head ('Poetical Works,' ii. 59, ed. Prof. Knight).
His landlady, therefore, would be the "frugal See article (illustrated) on 'The Miserere Sboe- dame” of his pious recollection. maker of Wellingborough,' by T. Tindall Wild
THOMAS BAYNE, ridge, in 'Bygone Northamptonshire,' pp. 192-5. Helensburgh, N.B.
JOAN T. PAGE.
Wordsworth went to school at Hawkshead Holmby House, Forest Gate.
when he was eight years old. In the prefatory Jacques Basire, EngravER (7th S. ii. 189, note to Nutting' he writes : " Like most of my 275, 391, 497; vi. 31).—The annexed excerpt schoolfellows, I was an impassioned nutter.” This from the Historical Register,' 1722, vol. vii., surely is internal evidence enough to fix the mean“Chronological Diary,” p. 29, 'will serve to meeting of “Dame” in the passage quoted. a point raised at the third reference :
EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. “June 2. Dy'd Jobn Basire, Esq; in the 77th Year of
Hastings. his Age, formerly Receiver General for the four Western Counties. He was Son of Isaac Basire, D.D. Prebendary think that too much has already been said about
STRACHEY FAMILY (9th S. ii. 508).- I should of Durham, Archdeacon of Northumberland, &c. a strenuous Aserter of the Royal Cause in the great the hopeless crux of Strachey in Twelfth Night," Rebellion, during which he was 15 Years in Exile." and I suppose that all that has been said is
entirely worthless. Yet I beg leave to offer one 17, Hilldrop Crescent, N.
more guess, probably also worthless. The O.F.
estrache (see Godefroy) occurs as a variation of LONGFELLOW's 'SonG OF THE SILENT LAND'estrace (meaning extraction, race, rank, family), (8th S. ii. 507).—The inverted torch, with the from Lat. extrahere. So perhaps the lady of the
strachey" (small s) was a lady of rank or of good sists of eight stanzas, and it is included in Mr. extraction. WALTER W. SKEAT. Locker-Lampson's 'Lyra Elegantiarum,' ed. 1891,
JONATHAN BOUCAIER. INGULPA'S CROYLAND CARONICLE' (8th S. ii. 467).—The question of the genuineness or other
be glad to know that some verses wise of this chronicle came into notice in ‘N. & Q.;' about this young lady, with a portrait of her, 45 S. ii. 80, 142, 482. At the last reference, the appeared in the magazine called London Society, contributor remarks that there is an exhaustive soon after her early death ; and Mr. H. S. Leigh, article upon the subject in the Archæological in his 'Carols of Cockayne,' has written (after the Journal for March, 1862. ED. MARSHALL. manner of E. A. Poe) on the same fair subject, in "The Chronicle of Croyland Abbey by Ingulph'
a poem entitledChateaux d'Espagne.'
EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. was printed by Mr. Birch in 1883. For further
Hastings. information I would advise ANON. to consult the • Dict. of Nat. Biog.,' s.n. “Ingulf.”
“FESTUM PATEFACTIONIS” (8th S. ii. 366). –
G. F. R. B. For “Festum Patefactionis Christi in Monte Anon. will be able to get all the information he Thabor" see Hampson’s ‘Medii Ævi Kalendarium' wishes for from the translation in Bohn's well. (London, 1841), vol. ii. pp. 172, 173. known “Antiquarian Series." LE MANS.
L. L. K. A Jesuit PLAYWRIGHT (8th $. ii. 486)., genuine Spanish, being a corruption of Latin
MANILA (8th S. ii. 406). –The word Manila is Adverting to the editorial query, I further ask, Is it not the universal practice of the members of manicula, with a dozen meanings, somewhat allied the Society of Jesus to write the plays that are town was founded in 1571 by Legaspi, the Spanish
to our word manacle. It appears certain that the acted by their pupils ?
L. L. K.
commandant. This applies to what is now called Is not “W. C. H.,” W. C. Hazlitt, grandson, old Manila, meaning the fort or garrison town. not son, of the essayist ?
C. C. B. The suburb, called Binondo, may represent an
older native settlement, being nearer to the river Gray's 'BARD'(8th S. ii. 485). —
and the busy part.
I know nothing about the origin of this word ; This passage is evidently imitative of what had but a Spanish friend of mine used always to prolong before become a commonplace of the poets. pounce it Man-isle-aye. What could he have done The idea of actual magic is not necessary, but this for? Was it to suit our supposed pronunciawould rather detract from the praise of the bards. tion of i before a single ? ? If he bad kept to his If Orpheus, merely by his lute, could make own Spanish he would have been nearer to the
C. A. WARD.
Chingford Hatch, E.
FIRE BY RUBBING STICKS (8th S. ii. 47, 114, if a nameless mermaid could utter
231, 314, 432).—The following extract from The Such dulcet and barmonious breath That the rude sea grew civil at her song,
Western Pacific and New Guinea,' by Hugh
Hastings Romilly, second edition, London, 1887, why should not Modred (whoever he may bave be of interest :been), or Cadwallo, or Urien, have done the like
“When I was last in England I found very few people by the same means ? Whatever a Greek could do who would believe in the possibility of making fire with in this line, we may be sure that any one of the two sticks. I might perhaps have convinced them of its old Welsh bards could " go one better”-at least, practicability, as it is not a very difficult thing to do.”in his own estimation. Celtic romance abounds Pp. 12, 13. with such stories. Thus, for instance, Taliesin,
C. N. B. M. in the 'Mabinogion,' by his song alone, raises a
Edinburgh. storm that shakes to its foundations the castle of For the possibility of civilized men getting a Maelgwyn Gwynedd. It is true that these bards light with fire-sticks, and a good deal of trouble, were frequently magicians too; but then everything reference should be made to that very entertaining was more or less magical in those days ; witness work “The Art of Travel,' by Mr. Francis Galton, the barp of Teirtu, which if desired would play of
EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. itself.
C. C. B. Hastings. NELLY MOORE (8th S. ii. 408, 457). — The late “IT FAIR SHEDS (8th S. ii. 429).-Halliwell Henry S. Leigh, the author of 'Carols of Cockayne, bas as one meaning of shed, and that a Lancashire &c., wrote a clever parody of Edgar Poe's 'Raven,' one, “to surpass. “ It fair sheds therefore, as of which this young lady is the heroine. It con- HERMENTRUDE states, means "it quite surpasses"
belief. Cf. “I were fair stagger'd” as the Lanca- James's Square, with several devices, and mottoes, shire for“ I was quite astounded,” in which fair= trampling down Popery, breaking the chains of quite, or completely. In the Yorkshire dialect "it bondage, slavery," &c. Surely a unique work, if fair sheds means “it is quite surprising,” and it had ever come to anything. Halliwell gives shed=surprised.
W. F. WALLER. J. F. MANSERGH.
The frontispiece to the fifty-fourth volume Liverpool.
(July to December, 1808) of the European MagaSheds (or sheads, as it is sometimes written and zine consists of an engraving representing spelt) is derived from an Anglo-Saxon word which Equestrian Statue in Bronze of King William the means to distinguish, or beat the record, and is still Third, now Erecting in St. James's Square.” The used in North Lancashire by elderly people ; but engraving is by S. Rawle, and at the top of the the phrase is fast dying out. EDWARD LORD. pedestal of the monument appears “ J. Bacon Juns 5, Albion Street, Burnley.
Sculptor.” We are toldGEORGE ISHAM, OF London, CITIZEN AND IRON
“This statue is executed pursuant to the will of Samuel MONGER (8th S. 11. 467). —Twenty references to the Travers, Esq., who lived in the reign of King William”
(p. 37). Isham family, of Northampton, will be found in The will, being disputed, was thrown into Chanthe four volumes of the Northamptonshire Notes cery, and was not confirmed for nearly a century”; and Queries, some of which are of a date anterior hence the delay in the erection of the statue. to those given by your correspondent, and may be
J. F. MANSERGH. of service to him. EVERARD BOME COLEMAN.
Liverpool. 71, Brecknock Road.
Wilde JÄGER (8th S. ii. 128, 218, 413, 475). — 'A DREAM OF Fair WOMEN'(8th S. ii. 407, It ought not to be forgotten that this legend is 478).—I do not wonder C. C. B. should doubt mentioned by Dousterswivel to Sir Arthur Wardour wbether young Mr. Tennyson ever wrote :
in their search for treasure in the ruins of St. One drew a sbarp knife through my tender throat,
" Den you should bear horns winded dat all de ruins The Tennyson of maturer years wrote :-- ring—mire wort, they should play fine hunting piece, as The bright death quiver'd at the victim's throat,
good as him you callà Fischer with his oboi : vary well Touch'd, &c.,
-den comes one herald, as we call Ernhold, winding
his born-and den come de great Peolphan, called de which, as Huckleberry Finn said of sometbing mighty Hunter of de North, mounted on bims black steed. else, states the case ; but in the ‘Dream' of But you would not care to see all this ?' 1833 the lines stand :
Why, I am not afraid,' answered the poor Baronet, One drew a sharp knife through my tender throat,
'if-that is—does anything-any great mischiefs happen
on such occasions?' Slowly-and nothing more.
« • Bah! mischiefe ? no--sometimes if de circle be no Whereupon, the wicked Edinburgh reviewer i quite just, or de beholder be de frightened coward, and inquired what moro-her throat being cut--the not bold de sword firm and straight toward him, de Great lady wanted.
W. F. WALLER.
Hunter will take his advantaco, and drag him exorcist
out of de circle and throttle him. Dat does happens.' My copy of Tennyson's 'Poems' (date 1851), - The Antiquary,' cbap. xxi. p. 153, has
Note F appended says that much of a similar kind One drew a sharp knife thro' my tender throat
is to be found in Scott’s ‘Discovery of Witchcraft,' Slowly,-and nothing more.
published in London, 1584. Will this satisfy your correspondents ?
John PICKFORD, M.A. THOMAS BARKER.
Newbourne Rectory, Woodbridge. St. James's SQUARE (8th S. ii. 267, 310, 339,
Titae-Barns (86h S. ii. 246, 330, 397, 475). — 368, 436). —MR. DASENT says that a pedestal was Tithe. barns, or their remaios, are not uncommon.
' undoubtedly” set up in the centre of the square But your readers ought not to be without a referas early as 1727. Cunningham says it was ence to one of great present perfection at Littleton, tually erected in 1734,” and cites New Remarks near Evesham. It is one hundred and fifty feet on London,' p. 264. This matters little. What, long, cruciform, with large pointed doorways and however, is curious is that no fewer than one hun- cross-bearing gables. There is an engraving it dred and eleven years should have elapsed between in May's 'History of Evesham,' 1845, p. 238. the date of the order for setting up the statue of
W. C. B. “Great Nassau " in these parts and the actual To the list contributed by Mr. HARTSHORNE erection of such an effigy. On Thursday, Dec. 9, may be added the very fine titbe-barn at Stanway, 1697, Mr. Luttrell says—but Narcissus had better Lord Wemyss's place in Gloucestershire. be allowed to say it in his own way: “The king's
Louisa M. KNIGHTLEY. statue in brasse is ordered to be sett up in St. Fawsley, Daventry.
SHAKSPEARE AND THE COMMENTATORS (86 S. shovel; I know, by that piece of service, the men ii. 488).—The exact text is : "If we wish to know would carry coals.” the force of human genius we should read Sbake- It seems to me, therefore, worthy of note that speare. If we wish to see the insignificance of the suggestion of “carrying coals” bad in past human learning, we may study his commentators.” times no fewer than three interpretations attached The author of this great epigrammatic truth was to it. When they were supposed to be carried William Hazlitt. Äs a tax to the ingenuity of to Newcastle, the saying exemplified people who the readers of 'N. & Q.,'I leave some other of did useless things; and when the coals were them to point out where he said it. R. R. simply spoken of as being carried, it typified Boston, Lincolnshire.
either belpless, weak creatures, or such bullies and LORD Bacon: “Badga” AND “Mar" (8th S. cowards as the above-named estimable adventurers. ii. 362).—Your correspondent is scarcely correct
Barnes Common. in stating that the lines quoted by him bave remained“ untouched by any of the various editors SLAUGHTER FAMILY (8th S. ii. 467). — Any inof the book save one, viz., Archbishop Whately." vestigations into the history of a family of this Dr. Aldis Wright, in his edition of Bacon's name will, I imagine, involve one into that of the
Essays,' 1874, has in a note, p. 332, "Mr. Daniel Sclaters. Burke (* Landed Gentry') says the name has suggested to me that the Baugh' is probably Sclater was originally spelt Slauter, and derived the Bass Rock, and the ‘May' the Isle of May from a place so called in Gloucestershire. And the in the Frith of Forth."
name seems to have been so pronounced long after To the quotations given by your correspondent it was differently spelt ; for in several instances may be added the following lines from Sir David I have come across it, in cases where it has been Lindsay's 'The Complaynt to the King,' vol. i. written down phonetically, in the form of Slauter p. 61, ed. 1871;
and Slaughter, even in the eighteenth century. Quhen the Basse and the Yle of Maye
W. C. W.
'De Gestis TANCREDI' (8th S. ii. 487).—A Beis lyftit to Northumberland;
great deal of information about Tancred is to be Quhen kirkmen yairnis no dignitie,
found in Godeffroy of Bouloyne,' of which Dr. Nor wyffis no sovoranitie;
Mary Noyes Colvin is preparing an edition for the
Early English Text Society. There will, no doubt,
be much information added by Dr. Colvin in her F. C. BIRKBECK TERRY. notes and introduction.
H. H. S. “COALS TO NEWCASTLE” (8th S. ii. 484).-The noting by Mr. F. Adams of the examples of this
CROSSBOWS (8th S. ii. 147, 273, 377).-The folproverb, and the dates thereof, leads me to call lowing appears in Rapin's 'Áistory of England': attention to the fact that, at a still earlier period notico
, that this Prince ( Richard 1.), who restored the
“It is remarked as a thing deserving particular than the years he gives, there was another inter-) Use of the Cross-Bow, received his Death's Wound from pretation put upon "carrying coals” other than that Instrument, as if Heaven intended to punish him that inferred by the useless process of carrying for reviving that diabolical Invention. But I question coals to Newcastle or salt to Dysart. To carry whether this Remark is built on a good Foundation. coals—whether to Newcastle or elsewhere-was, Bow in the Conquest of Ireland, in the Reisn of indeed, equivalent to what we nowadays mean to Henry II., ard it is not likely they should discontinue express when we say a man will "stand anything," it, in the few Years that were since passed."-Ed. 1732, or that another is so poor a spirited creature that vol. i. p. 257. any treatment is good enough for him. Tbus, in
J. F. MANSERGH. Have with you to Saffron Walden' (1595), Nash Liverpool. says, “We will bear no coals, I warrant you"; in Every Man out of His Humour,' Ben Jonson
CHIEF JUSTICE JEFFREYS (8th S. ii. 468).—The makes a character say contemptuously of another, authority, I believe, was the actual admission in "Here comes one that will carry coals, ergo wili the Trinity College books. The late Dr. Luard hold my dog”; in 'Antonio and Melida' (1602), kindly sent me the date in answer to an inquiry of a character is made by Marston to exclaim, "He mine. Sono may remember that in the proceedhas had wrong, but if I were be I would bear no ings against Dr. John Peachell, Jeffreys himself coles"; and Shakespeare opens 'Romeo and
stated that he was “ once a member” of the UniJuliet' by making Sampson remark that he and versity of Cambridge. (“State Trials,' xi. 1329.)
G. F. R. B. Gregory will dot carry coals ; while in 'Henry V. the boy gives bis masters Nym, Bardolph, and Livery COMPANIES OF LONDON (8th S. ii. 448). Pistol a true character, and enumerates, amongst -I do not suppose it would be possible to collect their other virtues, that "in Calais they stole a fire- full lists of freemen, it being the livery who
attract attention. One of our local historians and are now at Westminster. Many of these are remarks of the Drapers' Company :
annotated in MS. by Sedgwick. Sedgwick's MSS. “From this date (1518), in most instances, the parties (about 3,000) are still in my possession. When subscribe their name of marks; both of wbich are mounted they will also be deposited in the Church wretched scrawls, and show the low state of education House Library.
JNO. JULIAN. at this period. The most respectable citizens only made Wincobank Vicarage. their mark.' I have sometimes found a variation, people signing
His learning, and his assistance in the compilain a plain hand here, will make a mark elsewhere. tion of The Book of Praise,' are mentioned in I fancy there was some dread of " consequences" appreciative terms in the preface to that volume ; at bottom of this assumed incapacity.
but not Lord Selborne's generous return for that The same historian, “ Herbert,” records, under
assistance. EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A. date 1509, the feat of a boy aged twelve transcrib- When dressed in his best old Daniel was ing the ordinances of the Fishmongers' Company hardly of the disreputable appearance assigned to in a clear, ornate hand. His name was “ rychard him by the writer of the article in the Manchester felde."
A. HALL Evening News, nor was be, I fancy, a shoemaker, 13, Paternoster Row.
his trade (other than that of bookselling) being Herbert, Librarian to the Corporation of Lon- something in the cabinet-making line. Probably don, in his · History of the Twelve Livery Com. Mr. Harper, bookseller, Tabernacle Street, E.C., panies,' gives the names of the Company of Yren- could give Q. V. much more information about the mongers from the record in the Chapter House, life of this interesting man. His enthusiasm in Westminster, about the year 1537 ; The Masters his favourite study made bim decidedly interestand Wardens from 1700 to 1817; the members of ing, though he rarely seemed to lose sight of the the Company who were Lord Mayor from 1410 to £. 8. d. aspect of it.
I. C. GOULD, 1715 ; and the names of the benefactors, most of whom were probably members thereof, from 1500
SELECT HISTORICAL DOCUMENTS’ (8th S. ii. to 1703. Similar lists are given for the remaining there is, as there surely ought to be a reference to
440, 491). —MR. MARSHALL says that "probably eleven great Livery Companies of London. EVERARD HOME COLEMAN.
this volume (Stubbs's 'Select Charters') in its
latest form in the preface" of Mr. Henderson's GLOVES AND KISSES (8th S. ii. 508).-Seo Select Historical Documents.' It is only justice Gloves: their Annals and Associations,' by to the latter excellent volume to say that Mr. J. W. Beck, 1883, p. 234, where may be found Henderson has not only acknowledged the work of several curious references to the custom, supported his learned predecessor in the introduction (pp. 1, by good authority. A. L. HUMPHREYS. 3, 4, 5, and 6), but also on pp. 7, 11, 16, 20,
The claim of gloves by ladies, as a reward, when 135, 148, and 151. they have stolen a kiss from a sleeping man, is
While on this matter, may I draw your readers' alluded to by Gay (1688–1732):
attention to the early notice of " tarring and Cicely, brisk maid, steps forth before the rout,
feathering" on p. 135? It occurs in the Laws And kiss'd with smacking lips the snoring lout;
of Richard I. concerning Crusaders who were to For custom says, “ Whoe'er this venture proves, go by Sea,' and runs thus:For such a kiss demands a pair of gloves.
“A robber, moreover, convicted of theft, shall be In chap. v. of the Fair Maid of Perth,' by Sir shorn like a bired fighter, and boiling tar shall be Walter Scott, Catherine leaves her chamber on St. be shaken out over his head-80 that he may bo pub
poured over his head, and feathers from a cushion shall Valentine's morning, and finding Henry Smith licly known; and at the first land where the ships put asleep, gives bim a kiss. The glover says to in he shall be cast on shore.”
ARTHUR MONTEFIORE. “Come into the booth with me, my son, and I will furnish JEWISH SECTS (8th S. ii. 508).—Early lists of thee with a fitting tbeme. Thou knowest the maiden who ventures to kiss a sleeping man wins of him a pair these are given by Hegesippus, Epiphanius, and
Justin Martyr, and MR. WARD will find the And in the following chapter she accepts it.
names which they mention brought together in The date and origin of the custom bave not, I the "Classified Tablo” at the beginning of Dr. believe, been traced.
Blunt's 'Dictionary of Sects and Heresies.' But EVERARD HOME COLEMAN.
in the article “Jewish Sects,” in the body of that 71, Brecknock Road.
work (which was written by my late father, a well
read man in early Church history), reasons are DANIEL SEDGWICK, HYMNOLOGIST (8th S. ii. given for supposing that many of these are really 409,451).—Of Sedgwick's collection of hymnological only different names for the same bodies, and that works upwards of one thousand volumes are in the number may, therefore, be a good deal reduced. cluded in the Julian bequest to the Church House,
C. F. S. WARREN, M.A.